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29 Aug 2012, 9:45 am

I thought this thing was totally unique for me and was a picture of how I was different from everyone else. A personal trait. Guess it's not. Lol.



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29 Aug 2012, 12:15 pm

man-hands wrote:
Onks, in photos, the people I am with and I are usually in a posed group photo where we are deliberately smiling. For that reason, Photos aren't an accurate way for me to see what I look like in a relaxed, spontaneous social behavior.


There you got a good point. I don't perceive myself as looking the way as I look on photos in normal conversations
but actually...

It is difficult to know how you really look like when you are in a conversation with others. For that you would need a mirror, which again makes the situation unrelaxed.
When I was young I hated to look into mirrors, or it didn't mean to me a thing.
Now I try to do it at least every morning in the bathroom.

I think I sometimes though do have some kind of stare as well when I am in front of a mirror, for probably the same reasons as on the photos....

I just know it from my photos that this kind of stare exists with me. In what kind of situation it appears, I don't know....

But probably it is there in some kind of form, maybe always...
And some small things are enough to make people think you are special.

Then, we don't look people in the eyes so much, such that we might not recognise it that easily with others
but I guess NTs do because their eyes scan the faces all the time, if I understood right.

Empty eyes, I guess due to thinking and less eye movements than NTs in general,
reducing the "sensoric load" while thinking (moving pictures contain too much information at a time) sort of

That would also explain why I go "mad" when I try to look people too much into the face/eyes during a conversation
(information overload, can't handle both doing a meaningful conversation and interpreting eyes/faces
at the same time, or that is very unpleasant, at least
and I just don't anyway get it and start to talk nonsense, I guess :lol: )
Really funny crazy that is...

If you have a good NT friend that is pretty self reflected, just ask.
Or then you can let somebody take a video of yourself while you talk to people...

I asked my good friend about whether he looks people into the face much and reads from faces
and he said that I got something wrong (Nobody does that sort of).
It seems that this is more or less automatic thing without NTs knowing it themselves
But he (my friend) is also a special guy so I actually don't know...

I first thought this is the reason why we are not able to learn feelings of others properly (because we cannot teach ourselves through mimics of others),
but now I think it is more the "overload" kind of thing.
Because actually all the symptoms I have get worse when I am stressed
It feels even like some things appear and disappear again

I have found some texts about cognitive load and working memory on wikipedia which sounded pretty convincing to me. Fundamental attribution error is also interesting