You guys seriously need to bathe at least once a day

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I have a friend who smells and his teeth need flossing. You can see a build up of plaque on them and its repulsive.

The other day I said he needs to get washed and clean his teeth. If he doesn't, I don't want to be near him.

It is hard to sit in a cafe and eat if the person you are with smells of body odour.

Daniel:

I see nothing in your recent post that I have not already dealt with in exhaustive detail. In my last, very long, very precise entry, I addressed each of your objections point for point. That you raise certain issues here a second and third time indicates to me that you haven't read my most recent entry, or at least haven't read it carefully.

We have now apparently reached that familliar point in an internet discussion where all parties endlessly restate their positions over and over, and nothing new is said. As such I feel that I have said all I have to say on this subject and I would encourage anyone who is interested in my rebuttal to go back and read my previous entries, and consider whether they have not already addressed the objections you now raise.

While I would be inclined to think that
Tony Attwood's

statement reflects a "negative" stereotype, I also thing the posts in this discussion have backed up the general point:

It isn't that NT or AS bathe more or less, but I bet if you ask most NT's how often they bathe, the answer will be about how often "people are suppossed" to bathe, rather than about, as here, how often is rational AND rational to what ends (consideration for others sensual pleasure, self, and health).

I might also add that it might take a pubescent AS longer to figure this stuff out because they aren't picking up the "you smell" body language or subtle hints, shifting body language, for example - like when your great aunt gets you a basket of soaps or some Ax body-spray of something. Apparantly SHE is the one being polite here, when she could have just said, "hey, did you know that during puberty you hormones do wacky things to your body, and sometimes you smell bad and you can't smell it? Interesting isn't it? Same with not brushing your teeth. People appreciate if you try to keep from smelling up shared spaces..."

By the way, my teeth as cavity free and all there and I brush for special occassions -- my gums are another matter. They bleed and plead with me not to neglect them so whenever I do brush. Other factors are pretty crucial too -- like how dry is your mouth... But yeah, I think N.America has a bit of an oral obsession I am disinterested in catching.

I found the key is deoderant, (not anti-perspirant - why!! !!??? would you want to stop sweating!! !??), and not necessarily bathing beyond a dip in the lake or a splash under a shower head, unless you have the luxury and just like a nice hot bath for three hours every day.

Oh yeah, I think that any time that you point at a difference as a pattern in a certain group compared to another, there is a generalization or essentialization that is necessarily inacurate unless it is a tautology. The important thing is what USE the generalization serves, and who it serves. In this case, it was nice to discuss something that might be causing social friction in some of our lives or might at some point... and I do think that non-conformity could get translated into perceptions of rudeness about hygene, if the person that is not conforming is not conforming to surrounding expectations of "normal" hygene routines.

I already know a good number of people will not date me if they know or discover that I brush my teeth as rarely as I do, and mayeb a few enviro-Nazi's that would be really sickened by how many bathes I take...

Social Walker,

You miss the point: the burden of proof is on you to prove that Aspies are less hygienic than their NT counterparts since you're the originator of this thread; it’s not “clear” to me as a lot of Aspies who’ve posted here are very hygienic.

The other point being: state in your OP that this is a subjective opinion. If you believe it to be an objective opinion provide evidence.

This is not unreasonable to ask for evidence if you are talking for people other than yourself.

E: BTW, if you believe it to be an objective opinion...there is no straw man involved in skahthic's post; my points above are common sense when viewing this thread so I have no qualms with asking you for proof when everything I am seeing above states that the OP and your posts are erroneous in their implications if taken objectively.

What if we don't care about the effect our odor has on those around us? Have you explored that possibility? That's something nobody will ever change.

You've got me there

Some of you people are f*****g crazy. Take a bath once a day. No buts about it. Don't try to come up with some half-assed pseudo-scientific excuse for not doing so. That's like what paedophiles do to try to justify having sex with children. I don't care who you are, where you're from, or how your mind works. Bathe regularly and brush your teeth after eating.

I shower almost everyday, and I shower everyday if I'm going out somewhere that day, but sometimes if I'm not going anywhere that day I don't feel like showering.

And I do need to brush my teeth more because I have braces and I'm supposed to be brushing them twice a day. But it's really hard to brush when you have braces and I can't floss them at all.

beautifulspam:
zomg topato... Nice WIGU reference. End off-topic post.

Compare a pedophile's mindset to that of someone with hygiene issues. Good call. Or maybe you could just go f**k yourself.

Well, there are more polite ways to put this, but yes. It is downright insulting to compare people that don't bathe as frequently as an individual would like to pedophiles molesting children. Like I mentioned earlier, if my "failure" to bathe on a given day isn't even known by others, who exactly is hurt by that? With the whole pedophile "example," it is pretty obvious who is hurt.

Oh, failing to bathe daily hurts me? That'd be my choice, right? Or should the state get involved and lock me up and make sure I bathe daily? I couldn't possibly contribute to society if I didn't...

I have to brush my teeth twice a day or they start to hurt. That probably implies some terrible gum disorder since I haven't seen a dentist for years but never mind.

As for showering, every other day is sufficient for me. When I was a teenager my Mum would only allow us 2 baths a week because we were poor (dirt poor you may say) and nobody ever mentioned my smell because I didn't smell. My hair was greasy though. I hate having greasy hair so I have to shower every day just for that. If I'm not working though I'll leave it. My boyfriend doesn't see grease so he doesn't notice.

I always wondered just how long you would have to go without bathing before you smelled like the kind of person that sits next to you on a bus and makes you gag. Maybe it's not them but their clothes that smell because even when I had pneumonia and nobody helped me to wash (couldn't do it myself because had too many drips in) for days I didn't smell even a tenth as bad.

I hate the feeling of being greasy, dirty, and gross.

I shower twice a day. Once in the morning, and once in the evening.

I live in a sewer, I bathe and bathe but the smell won't go away

On a more serious note, what does Asperger or Autism have to do with hygiene? Plenty of "NTs" don't bother showering daily, and even more smell bad. I shower once a day (I can't shower more because of my skin type) and I smell just great

Hmm, I didn't take a shower yesterday or today. Hy hair is greasy and my armpits stink, and I think I have a whole bunch of new pimples poking through my skin on my back. I popped a big pimple on my chest this morning while I was in bed, I was too lazy to clean up the pus so I just rubbed it in my skin. Also I have been farting a lot lately, so my buttcrack feels greasy, when I walk my buttcheeks slide together without much friction.