Your views on Goths

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I don't know any goths.

I saw a goth chick with a USSR emblem tatoo
I thought it was awesome

That's personal opinion.

Mainstream clothing is ridiculous. Exactly because it isn't about shocking people, you're just trying to fool yourself into believing that you aren't the disgruntled one.

They've never bothered me or really done anything to make me roll my eyes at them.

Oh, I'm disgruntled all right. I have issues out the ying-yang, that, fortunately for me, are not centered around what other people wear.



Perhaps you're confused. Think of mainstream in terms of 'ordinary' 'general' and 'familiar'. Clothes that never go out of style... jeans, sweaters, t-shirts, etc. Not subcultures with here-and-gone fads like really short jackets (wtf?) and belts that could double as table runners.

I work at the goth EPICENTER of my region. I see them every day. They all look alike at the beginning (the infamous "I'm unique - just like everyone else!" bit)... Gradually throughout a two-year span they come to look like respectable, employable citizens. Because even the gothiest career field in this world won't give you the time of day if you aren't presentable. They won't care how pretty your clothes are, or how many really cool forehead piercings you have. So, unless you are prepared to spend your life behind the register at a record store (a business that is fading out of existence) or in a similar establishment where this type of 'counter-culture' is accepted or even encouraged, then you will starve.

*wonders where she signed up to give life lessons before having ingested at least 3 cups of coffee*

well, i didnt talk about wearing clothes that pass as pretty, i talked about wearing pretty clothes. beauty isnt democratic.
you can replace the "shocking" term with pretty much any other... why is the fashion manifestation of something always interpreted as "for the people" - to the extent of "only for the people". like, real rock fans dont need to walk around in rocker clothes, as if doing so would make one less of a rock fan.

other than that - goth itself isnt a youth issue or a phase - why would you see people who bought into the thoughts back in the eighties who are still around, still dressing up and still having a good time? a lot of teens have a goth phase, but that doesnt make goth a phase.

jeans/sweaters/t-shirts are no "ordinary/general clothes that never go out of style". they are such a young phenomenon that became a commonplace in the now and here. with jeans/sweaters and t-shirts, we are talking a phenomenon of not much more than one-and-a-half generations.

as for here-and-gone fads... i dont see much of those in the goth scene, whereas mainstream wear changes almost day by day.

nah really... i dont know where you live and what the goth epicenter there is supposed to look like, but judging from some of your statements, you dont really know what you're talking about.

Goths were always nice to me,

holy hell, are you still yammering about this??? You must really have a lack of pertinent issues to deal with if you're hung up on this.

a phase for the individual, not a phase for people on a whole.



Do yourself a favor and go out into the world today. Witness the percentage of people dressing like Edward scissorhands vs. poster-people for the Gap or any other ordinary, mainstream clothing store. mainstream. work with me here. the people walking the streets are not just strangely without group/style association, they choose to avoid the dips and troughs of fads they'll regret in 20 years when shown pictures of their past ridiculousness.



Is that your argument??? That you don't know anything, but I don't know what I'm talking about?
Good to know. Enjoy your phase. *thumbs up*

Goths are just people like anybody else. Some are cool, some are closed minded like anyone else. It's also such a broad term used nowadays to label anybody who wears black and uses eyeliner.
It's more than just clothes--- it's music and art, too--- sometimes a lifestyle, for some people. I dress goth at times, listen to gothic music and like to draw darkly-themed drawings. I also like Weird Al Yankovic, pink-striped socks and Oldsmobiles. How would i fit in as a "goth"? I don't know. Labels are only there to help people with an innate need/desire to categorize things, whether for good or bad.
For some people, goth is nothing more than a phase or a "cool" thing to do because they saw some movie and all their friends are doing it. For others, it is a part of them and not just some trendy phase. The "trendy goths" are usually the ones who end up messing it up for everyone because they do stupid s**t thinking it'll make them popular or more gothic, or because "that guy did it in that movie".
As for your mom and not letting you shop at H/T and wear a trenchcoat or whatever--- it sucks, but as long as you reside at her place she gets to make the rules. You can try and bend the rules (like I did as a teenager, hiding my Megadeth T-shirts), follow her wishes or eventually move out and make your own rules. Parents can sometimes forget what it is like to branch out and explore the world at hand. My mom told me about how her parents were horrified at the rebellious Beatles--- their hair touched their collars and they dressed funny!! ! How awful, right?

My views on those who slaughter Romans and build pointy medieval churches!?

Seriously, though. I have no problem with goths. I'm close friends with pretty much the only two kids in my school who fit into the goth stereotypes most, and neither of them are even that goth-like if you think about it. I listen to goth music and shop at Hot Topic without shame, and I have no problem with goths.

Gothism (as it's known in my area) is a style, a way of life. It's just who people are, and I have no issue with it. I don't think it's bad, I don't think it's devil worship. I think it's actually kind of cool, and it's much more of a focus on art and culture than just moping around in black.

Mall goths, however, can get annoying but I've really only experienced one online so I don't have to worry about them too much.

It's funny how you started your post, and then went on to display that you are also hung up on the topic!

Oh yes, you caught me. I'm a shit-starter and can't walk away from that which is begging to be slapped upside the head.
However, I will not be muttering about it later while I pull on my hol-ey fishnets

holy hell... (uuuh, how true of me)

re phases: i was talking about phases of individuals. you displayed in your post that "being goth" is a phase for the individuals partaking. i countered that there are goths that were around in the scene in the 80s, who still buy into the whole thing. clearly not a teeny angsty phase. your thesis falsified. period.

re "never goes out of style" - you implied with your statements that the combination of jeans, sweaters and t-shirts is something that never goes out of style. which is not true. for one, these clothes items are not around for very long, even our grandparents wouldnt have considered a t-shirt anything else than undergarment in their days. t-shirts and jeans are a commonplace now, that can go out "of style" just as well again. they are not the timeless items you depicted them as.

percentages... oh my, what an argument. again: style isnt democratic.

and yeah... for living in a self-proclaimed goth epicenter, you have pretty much no idea what you're talking about. i dont know what kind of goth epicenter that ought to be. over here, where we have the largest goth festivals in the world and where the striving bands are from, goths run businesses as well as do all other kinds of jobs.

Neither will anyone else! Do you really think people leave this site worrying about your opinon? Get over yourself!

Awwww, come on guys, I wanted to tear him down.

I didn't even get to post a link to Scathe Demon.

Goths are just another type of socially misunderstood people who desparetely want to be different and unique, but in reality are not.