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10 Nov 2005, 3:47 pm

Wow, add me to the list. I've often had the feeling that my difficulty understanding people has contributed more to my social problems than all my other Asperger's symptoms put together. I'm deathly afraid of going out to a bar with people because I won't be able to understand a word anyone is saying, and I'll be left staring off into space, or else creepily staring at everyone's mouths, trying to read their lips.

I haven't seen many people talking about possible solutions, though. Has anyone tried anything? I went to an audiologist about it, but she said that a hearing aid wouldn't be very helpful since the problem was neurological, not physical, and my actual ability to hear was in the normal range.

Lip reading doesn't really feel like it helps, but I know it must because it's even harder to understand when I can't see their lips. I hate to resort to that, though, because I usually try really hard to maintain eye contact.

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10 Nov 2005, 4:56 pm

My daughter has Asperger's also (how I found out about it). At a support group meeting we went to the speaker was talking about eye contact and said that she worked with a high school student who would always stare at the floor. He said picking a spot on the floor and staring at it helped him to hear and retain the information. I've tried it (when I could, sometimes eye contact is required which is when I go for the lip reading. From about 3-4 feet I think most NT's buy it) and it seems to help. Also I've told people I work with that I can't determine sound direction (its pretty obvious I can't) because one ear is more deaf than the other. This gives me a great excuse to turn "my good ear" toward them thereby breaking eye contact.



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24 Nov 2005, 7:57 pm

I have, according to several hearing tests, above average hearing. I can hear certain frequencies that human beings aren't supposed to be able to hear (I got a dog whistle once, thinking that no human being could hear it, and was dissappointed to find that I could!) But when it comes to processing I understand, without concious effort, roughly 25%-30% of what is being said to me and with concious effort, about 60% with the exception of certain people and talking in one-on-one, no audial distractions, situations in which I can understand the person completely. Unlike people with hearing problems, I tend to act as if I understand perfectly, just picking key words out that I understand responding as best as I can, generally looking none to bright and/or hard of hearing.



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24 Nov 2005, 10:17 pm

Another "MeToo" here.

Really hard time distinguishing conversation coming from the people infront of me from the rest of the other in the restaurant.
Along with that, I found out last year I kinda freak out if I can't see where the conversations are coming from.
A friend and I were in a restaurant last year. It was rather crowded. They put us at small table in the corner, and I was facing the corner ( I hate not being able to observe my surroundings). All the background noise and conversation keep getting louder and louder and I began to feel pressure on my head and shoulders like something was pressing down on me. I had to step out for a moment. Traded places with my freind so I could see whats going on and it was much better.

But I can hear a pin drop when it's silent. Had my hearing tested at work a few years ago and it was excellent.



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26 Nov 2005, 3:12 am

yea, me too, drives me nuts that I can't understand others in less than perfect circumstances



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26 Nov 2005, 4:51 pm

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I wonder, is it possible to practice this somehow? You might probably say, practice it by trying harder when in such a noisy environment, but then it's already hard enough to concentrate on communicating with friends. Would it be possible to practice this at home?
You could try turning on the TV and the radio at the same time, and try to watch the news while the radio is tuned to a news or talk station (so that it's all voices instead of voices versus music, and you can watch the announcer's mouth on the TV). This scenario would scale well, because you can just keep turning the radio volume higher and the TV lower to continually strain your abilities.


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26 Nov 2005, 4:55 pm

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WOW cool! I thought I was the only person who could hear that high pitched whine of the tv!
The TV flyback transformer whine is at 15,750 Hz (NTSC) or somewhere around 15,600 Hz (PAL). It's well within the normal 20 Hz to 20 kHz frequency range of human hearing, so most people should be able to hear it. Not all TVs make that sound (I think it's caused by dust on the windings), but guess a lot of NTs simply "tune it out" because it's not important to them.


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30 Nov 2005, 4:33 pm

hybrid wrote:
I hear sounds without problems, I can hear soft and high pitched sounds that some people can't anymore.

However, I seem to have trouble to understand people where others don't. When in a noisy environment with many people all talking through each other, most people seem to be able to understand everything and even be able to hear two different people talking at the same time.

I, however, have trouble understanding what they're saying and can't follow what they're talking about.

Is this common for aspies?


Yeah, at least from my perspective. Not like I need a hearing aid or anything but I do have trouble understanding what people say sometimes (like does it just "go by" and I miss the message or do I not face them when speaking?)



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30 Nov 2005, 9:23 pm

Jetson wrote:
hybrid wrote:
I wonder, is it possible to practice this somehow? You might probably say, practice it by trying harder when in such a noisy environment, but then it's already hard enough to concentrate on communicating with friends. Would it be possible to practice this at home?
You could try turning on the TV and the radio at the same time, and try to watch the news while the radio is tuned to a news or talk station (so that it's all voices instead of voices versus music, and you can watch the announcer's mouth on the TV). This scenario would scale well, because you can just keep turning the radio volume higher and the TV lower to continually strain your abilities.


Very nice idea, I like it, thanks



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03 Dec 2005, 8:07 pm

06xrs wrote:
My daughter has Asperger's also (how I found out about it). At a support group meeting we went to the speaker was talking about eye contact and said that she worked with a high school student who would always stare at the floor. He said picking a spot on the floor and staring at it helped him to hear and retain the information. I've tried it (when I could, sometimes eye contact is required which is when I go for the lip reading. From about 3-4 feet I think most NT's buy it) and it seems to help. Also I've told people I work with that I can't determine sound direction (its pretty obvious I can't) because one ear is more deaf than the other. This gives me a great excuse to turn "my good ear" toward them thereby breaking eye contact.


Before I made a conscious effort to lip-read, I found that staring out of the window at a fixed point allowed me to hear the teacher in class better. I also still do that when lip-reading isn't possible (such as when walking single-file in the corridor - I can't exactly turn round to lip-read so I get the person to speak a little louder and I concentrate really hard on the floor. It does work.

Interestingly you mentioned determining sound direction - I'm rather useless at that too, without technically being deaf. Anyone else found this?


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06 Jan 2006, 11:57 pm

I use lipreading 95% of the time. I'm profoundly deaf. I grew up oral but when I learned sign language, actually reading the other person's sign language zones me out. Basically sounds don't bother me unless I get one stuck in my head and it just stays there. Argh!



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07 Jan 2006, 12:27 am

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Doesn't anyone find that watching people's mouths (almost like lipreading) helps?


I use a combination of lip reading and guessing esp. in niosy places. I have had my hearing tested and scored pretty high in my left ear but have some hearing loss in the right bringing down to what is cosidered in the normal range.



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07 Jan 2006, 7:35 am

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Doesn't anyone find that watching people's mouths (almost like lipreading) helps?

Yes! Nice to find someone else say they do this too. It isn't lipreading that we do, though, is it? I'm still not sure why it helps me. One theory I have is that I can watch the person for facial cues that I've learned to interpret over the years, so that I have as much information as possible to help me decipher what they mean. Another theory I have is that it helps me focus on their words to the exclusion of other sounds in the room.


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07 Jan 2006, 7:39 am

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Yes I have this exact problem. My hearing is sensitive, but very non-selective. I can usually tell if a TV is on the instant I walk into a room without looking, because of the high-pitched squeal it makes. Many people I've talked to say they can't hear it at all.

But in a noisy environment I have a terrible time trying to carry a conversation. Last night I was at a loud bar with 3 other friends. We were all sitting at a table and they were talking as if they were sitting in a library. To me it was just a jumbled bunch of noise.

Also, I'm really sensitive to certain noises. For instance the default Yahoo Messenger sound (rrrRIINNNGGGGG!! !) is absolutely infuriating.

Ditto on all the above (well, not the being in a bar last night with friends :-D ).

I hate it when there are multiple sounds and I get visibly agitated by it when I'm at home with my family, where I feel safe. When I'm in other places or with unfamiliar people, I try to hold my agitation in because I know people would find it strange.


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07 Jan 2006, 3:04 pm

Central Auditory Processing Disorders

Most commonly found in the ABC Disorders (Attention Behavioral Continuum) of which ASDs are a part:

http://www.tsbvi.edu/Outreach/seehear/s ... ditory.htm


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07 Jan 2006, 3:09 pm

grayson wrote:
DrizzleMan wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that watching people's mouths (almost like lipreading) helps?

Yes! Nice to find someone else say they do this too. It isn't lipreading that we do, though, is it? I'm still not sure why it helps me. One theory I have is that I can watch the person for facial cues that I've learned to interpret over the years, so that I have as much information as possible to help me decipher what they mean. Another theory I have is that it helps me focus on their words to the exclusion of other sounds in the room.


I think it's sort of lip-reading because, aside from the facial cues, it's easier to make out words with visual aid and not just hearing. Especially for words which are more alike in sound and watching the lips can better tell you whether that was an "n" or an "m", for example.


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