Fed up as all hell with neurotypical stupidity and ignorance

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07 Mar 2011, 12:27 pm

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My family didn't give rats when I was in my teens. I will never forget that.


give rats -- huh?


Figure of speech. It means they didn't care despite knowing I had AS and anxiety.



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03 Apr 2011, 6:44 pm

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It's a sad state that the majority of people in the world are NT


So basically you want everybody to be disabled/brain damaged like yourself? How utterly ridiculous.



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05 Apr 2011, 2:18 pm

Simple solution to all NT problems: find a quiet place, shut the door, and do whatever you consider fun. Then remind yourself that thinking about other people is not going to do you any good, it will only make you more frustrated.

You're never gonna change how NTs act, but you can definitely change how it affects you.


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06 Apr 2011, 3:24 am

Take heed of my psychologists advise:

" I am a sensitive person and I should go work for myself"

I wasn't feeling to sensitive when I got the diagnosis I was brain damaged for gods sake. :twisted:

Actually they are right I coped heaps of grief at work even though I was their # 1 worker as a cycle messenger a job I really really loved back in the 90's - early naughties, I think it was in part due to co morbid conditions and of cause in part being aspie ,but the way I see things someone will always be an @ in the workplace and guess who their going to direct that @ness at. :wink:

|Anyway it doesn't matter what I do when you've stared death in the face and recovered I could do SH%ty shelf packing jobs (night fill job) and be quite happy I'd much rather be surrounded by breakfast food cereals than people, wouldn't you ? and at least with night shift work I could still earn a living I was very very :o they still pay penalty rates for that type of work in this country and so they should. :)

I remember many many moons ago their was one of those annoying union (employers) on "morning television" proposing we scrap penalty rates his reasoning consumers don't pay a premium for a good if it's bought on a Sat Sun or late PM , well that's kinda a lie actually , anyway the presenter asked him what than would it mean higher wages for other workers or cheaper prices for the consumer or would the windfall go to business I haven't the foggiest to what he said...


Anyway I'm very lucky, no mortgage (house paid off ) no car (no desire for one either) no dependants, so I could be on minimum wage and still live like a king . :)


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06 Apr 2011, 3:26 am

League_Girl wrote:
My family didn't give rats when I was in my teens. I will never forget that.


I can relate, but are you saying they care now ?


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13 Apr 2011, 4:48 pm

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When I read this thread, I thought about a book I'd read on critical thinking. Most NT's don't critically think. Most NT's don't even question anything that they say or do. A principle of critical thinking is an honest willingness to evaluate yourself, the stuff you do, the way you behave. NT's are so busy worrying about Keeping Up With The Joneses that they don't have time to reflect on anything, or see anything in themselves that might need some correction. Just because a person is "Neurotypical" doesn't mean he or she isn't neurotic or compulsive. Example, the troll Chiyoko: first calls the thread "entertaining" then labels other people "manipulative" and "drama girl" when she's called out.

They have all kinds of weird stuff going on, too. When they can't deal with it, they project their "junk" onto other people. In a post above, a poster said that her friend would say "Don't let that bother you" when told she didn't want to go shopping, it's too loud, and other reasons. But let's say her friend said, "It's too cold to go to the beach." Likely the poster would have respected that and let it go. They lack a concern for anyone else's privacy but their own. They look for other people's problems wherever they go, then they get angry and sometimes abusive when they don't find any or when you won't go with their suggestions, then go back to their deerstand with their Better-Than-You attitude.

I wouldn't want my friend to be uncomfortable when she's out shopping with me. If she's getting frustrated with the noise (as many people, NT or not, get frustrated among throngs of people), then she's not having fun. I'd rather her have fun with me than have to tolerate something she hates in order to go shopping with me.

When someone asks "What's up?" or "How are you?" they're doing it by rote and they don't really want to know how you REALLY are. It is how people are trained, and it's cultural. In some countries, nobody asks how you are unless they really want to know, and when you answer, you answer honestly. You don't say you're fine when your colon is backfiring the chili you ate last night and it hurts. Or thinking about a relative's surgery the next day and you're worried. You say that your colon is backfiring the chili or you're worried.

They have more problems with "acceptance." They find it hard to accept that someone might be different - and that "different" doesn't mean wrong or bad or lesser. They hear explanations as excuses; that's them, not you. Sometimes it's easier to let them than to try to educate them. I know a lot of people on the boards are sick of NT bashing, but most NT's I know are nosy folk. Put any one of their questions to them, and they don't know what to do. It's like watching a fish out of water flailing about on the floor. I can accept a nosy NT or an arrogant NT - but it doesn't mean I have to like them or be around them if I don't want to. I'm like, why waste my time or energy or breath on someone I don't like, or behavior I don't like? If you're around someone who enjoys running over to you and flicking you on your forehead with their fingers, nobody would blame you for trying to avoid them.


I actually read that whole thing. You have a very engrossing writing style. Damn there are some smart people on WP.



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13 Apr 2011, 6:27 pm

One of the reasons I've turned off the TV * :) one of the best decisions I've ever made , try it :wink:

* unless it relates to a special interest lucky these type of shows are presented/ produced by people who are on the spectrum so their naturally are not annoying and imbecilic :) it would be quite a dilemma if my special interests where not so aspie friendly like Rugby League have you seen they way they carry on programs such as the "footy show" sometimes I think their parodying themselves . :)


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14 Apr 2011, 5:10 am

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(Note: I looked before posting, but I could have missed it. If there's already a thread about this same thing that I missed then please tell me.)

How does everyone else handle the incredible idiocy and extreme ignorance of neurotypical people? I feel like every average person redefines the word moron! Anytime I tell people how I feel about something they do that bothers me, it boomerangs on me. It either goes in one ear and out the other, or they ass kiss and say it's no problem, then when it gets hard after a (REALLY) short period of time, they get angry at me and blame it on me. I'm only thinking of my own damn sanity! Why is it so hard for people to understand being different!? It's not blasphemy and it's not something we can change by rubbing a lamp and having a Genie pop out like Aladdin! How do you all handle it when it gets overwhelming? When you get sick of people asking you "what's up" or "how are you"? Or any other stupid, pointless question (or greeting) that people ask day in and day out? Or when you feel like they should have half of an ounce of common sense about something (such as someone's feelings) and don't? I just don't understand how people never think! Especially after an unpleasant situation that involves two or more people. You can't just keep repeating the situation over in your head going "it's their fault. It's their fault. It's their fault. I dunno why but, it's their fault." or anything else that people seem to think that screams ignorance and obliviousness. It blows my mind how little some people truly think. I feel physically sick from being so angry and fed up with it all. Any help at all is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance as well for taking the time to read and reply.


Do you mean when you are ignored in front of more then one person? I get that a lot and I do get fed up with it but I get on with it as I tend to think "Their loss". Asking "How am I" all the time is annoying too but I say the same things like a ritual anyway.

The thing is, these people are scared to strike up a conversation in case they offend you....I only ever get offended if they insult me indirectly (or directly), they should at least try.

I mean...one girl I know knows I have Aspergers, she said I can talk to her whenever I like...but it's pretty hard to talk to someone when they hang around with people more socialable then I am and don't really try to make an effort...even if they mean well.



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25 Jun 2012, 7:17 am

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Brilliant observations, mightypen515. One thing I always knew was different about me was my willingness to question myself, not necessarily in a negative way, but to make my own motivations part of the equation when evaluating situations. NTs don't 'introspect', when you question an NT the normal reaction from them is to defend, and I think this is one of the things that creates a lot of friction for aspies. We're always raising the questions they don't want to hear, and the assumption is that if we question what they do or think, it must be a personal attack.

One of the things that blew my mind when I found this forum was the realization that there are others who think the way I do, and it creates the same problems for them that it has for me.

I think your ideas are too important to be tacked on to a screwed-up thread like this and you should start a new thread on this(assuming that you haven't already).


I know this post is over a year and a half old, but I have to quote it. Very well summarized.

In addition to NTs taking our questions as personal attacks, when we ourselves are criticized and contemplate the criticism, onlooking NTs look down on us for not "standing up for ourselves," when in fact we need to pause, reflect, and question whether or not the criticism is valid.



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14 Oct 2013, 5:08 pm

Some normal people expect me to fully control my Asperger's, but there is a normal person in my life, I'm not going to say who because that would be gossip, that keeps targeting me and won't leave me alone. Having a bully aggravates me to the point of insanity. Every time I let out my frustrations on my family they tell me to shut up and ignore the person that keeps bugging me. Ignoring people is extremely hard for me. I don't mean to sound angry, but I want people to accept me despite my highly-complicated brain patterns and mixed-matched emotions. I can tell people to stop bugging me, but I lose control and get aggravated instead. Sorry about the venting, but, sometimes, I have no clue of how to express my feelings. Some normal people act like I'm a terrorist threat, but I'm really emotionally troubled, sometimes. I didn't mean to be so upset, but this is an Autism forum after all.



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14 Oct 2013, 5:23 pm

This is not because of neurotypicals, in case there really is no such thing as a neurotypical. Also just becuase you have a condition that we may share doesn't mean are much alike. We may have perceived shared experience but that is similar to the theoretical notion of witnessing on red

Most people (including ASD) have only got a certain amount of emotional energy to devote to other people's issues. They are goign to make assumption just like we do. They aren't all born shrinks, they are human being with fault.

If you don't cut people some slack with their shortcomings, you can't expect the same in return. There is no neurotypical conspiracy, they can't help being how they are in the same why.

It was Henry Goddard that came up with the word Moron, and he was more moronic than most in his theories. Reality is the definition of moron is arbitrary (51–70 IQ points), it has not real significance in science, other than associated with historical discredited theories.



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14 Oct 2013, 5:35 pm

Victronix wrote:
Some normal people expect me to fully control my Asperger's, but there is a normal person in my life, I'm not going to say who because that would be gossip, that keeps targeting me and won't leave me alone. Having a bully aggravates me to the point of insanity. Every time I let out my frustrations on my family they tell me to shut up and ignore the person that keeps bugging me. Ignoring people is extremely hard for me. I don't mean to sound angry, but I want people to accept me despite my highly-complicated brain patterns and mixed-matched emotions. I can tell people to stop bugging me, but I lose control and get aggravated instead. Sorry about the venting, but, sometimes, I have no clue of how to express my feelings. Some normal people act like I'm a terrorist threat, but I'm really emotionally troubled, sometimes. I didn't mean to be so upset, but this is an Autism forum after all.


I learnt long ago, not to give people like that either time or space in your life. Granted it is a lot easier when you are an adult. Childhood is pretty over-rated. if you can't fully get out, then, make sure have other parts of you life that are totally separate from this. Like doing activities and different social situations, so you can feel you have some life outside of that.

My lifestyle is specifically catered so people like that can be easily taken out of the picture. I simply have no reason to associate with people I don't like. It also helps that I'm my own boss.

The bully might be targeting your traits, but really bullies are in all walks. There are bullies on the spectrum too.

I'll tell you one thing (and I know it is hard), what bullies want most is the reaction. the more you show then the the more they will continue.

It is clique but true, it is not simply pain, but the suffering, humiliation, etc. They what to know that from the reaction you give, if you are not giving it to them they are not winning, Consider it soemthign they are addicted to, you wouldn't feed the addict would you?



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14 Oct 2013, 6:11 pm

Mental health issue are fairly common 1 in 4, so more common the ASD by a long way. But even so getting people to understand each other aliment is a though ask.

BTW people's social intuition has nothing to do which what they think about it, this is on a completely different level to inherent and reactive (there is even the question whether it resides in the part of the brain where 'self' is). So what they say and how they act can be different and even contradictory. They can be just as clueless on this, as we are. Except if you're are having to make considered analysis over years to compensate, you might actually become better at understanding some of the social dynamic than the average person who has no reason to really think about it. They just act and react.

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Just becuase something is extremely challenging doesn't mean it is impossible or you should never try to overcome it.

Polarization of issues and politics result in almost a necessity of holding a particular view on ability or lack of it, which often doesn't model reality closely.

My personal view that yes we should fight for recognition of difference for sure. However that is not to say that it isn't worth challenging yourself in some areas that might help. Of course this should be done on your own terms, but there can be huge benefit to doing this.

There has also been a 'necessity' that all the symptom are supposed to be very fixed and unyielding. However recent evidence that contradicts the idea it is not possible to get significant improvement in some cases. Some people will always using this for political reasons, but I see just science.

Of course this not good for some people because some people have based their entire careers on a theory, but such is life.

I'm not talking about 'cure' either, I'm just challenging the idea the self-improvement is an impossibility.

Maybe people you know are unsympathetic, and perhaps they don't really get it, but who truly understands someone else anyway?

Now let me be clear, my lifestyle is completely bespoke. It fit the thimble vs, bucket idea of social interaction. I'm not saying to replicate purely what otherS are doing (in fact I would specifically advise against it). However just don't self-limit or write yourself off, Even with bespoke lifestyle, it is never going to be totally ideal you need to build in resilience of that.

You probably do have some goals, and you might have secondary issues, like anxiety disorders, confidence issue or whatever that you may need to work on to be able to get there.