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20 Oct 2006, 6:26 pm

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Honourable? Cowardly? Why are you even trying to apply these concepts to this situation?


Because this is a thread about "emos" allegedly being self-harming cowardly fakes, and NOT a thread solely about my problems, that's why.

Context, Drzava, context....

By all means start another topic about my personal issues if you wish to continue being supercilious, patronising and judgemental about someone you hardly know and a situation you barely understand. I guess after all you're a 100% sane and normal NT (which is why you're hanging around the WP Forums) and therefore you are unequivocally qualified to lecture me on how to live my life.

If you wish to have a positive debate about this, PM me. I'm not discussing it here any more.


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20 Oct 2006, 6:30 pm

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So why exactly are emos "depressed" again?


a. Not all emos are depressed.
b. Of those that are depressed, the reasons (if known) will vary.
c. Sometimes there is no obvious reason for depression. It just IS.


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20 Oct 2006, 6:39 pm

drzava... I think the point, that you so eloquently missed, that Sociable was trying to make can be summed up thusly: Would you rather have someone take out their frustrations on themselves with a knife now and then, or would you rather have them take it out on others, with a knife.
Or an axe.
Or a gun.



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22 Oct 2006, 6:26 am

In my teens I could have been accused as a verbal EMO, something I did to avoid confrontation and ridicule. I once had a crush on a boy and I purchased a mens jumper the same as his, because I liked its pattern mainly, as you can imagine I came under intense teasing for that! But no I am no EMO, I don't follow fashion, I wear what feels comfortable and visually appealing to me rather than the masses.



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22 Oct 2006, 12:24 pm

Dave_19_Essex wrote:
I wouldnt say i'm emo infact i wouldnt class myself in any catergory because i dress how i want to dress.


Same here. 8)



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22 Oct 2006, 2:06 pm

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As many of you are probably aware, some posters at urbandictionary.com seem to think we're all just a bunch of emos. Not that their opinions matter, but I just think that's a very odd accusation to make. I mean, aren't emos NT to the core? They change their way of dressing, way of acting, the music they listen to, etc. just to fit into a group. And they claim to be "nonconformist" even though they're some of the most conformist people alive. So anyway, I'm just wondering if there's any truth at all to Aspies being emo. Are there any emos or ex-emos here?


No. I'm not emo in the correct definition or by the definition used today by people younger than me that keeps changing everyday(thank god I was out of high school before teenagers started calling everything emo. It would have been an additional headache). Hopefully it will hurry up and pass.



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26 Oct 2006, 4:03 am

Right. No one who's middle class has any reason to be depressed. Depression is completely to having basic and simple needs met.

I mean, no one get's depressed because, say, someone is constantly bullying them? And even if they were it's their own fault, and thus they shouldn't be depressed because they chose to...


You know what, I can't even come up with a sarcasitic rationalization. I'm sorry, I know I may be getting a fanbase here but I'm sorry, I just can't do it. I just can't find a way to make the "Shut up" view on depression. I guess I just have that problem of that I can actually make an effort to understand people.

But that's too hard for some of you people isn't it? You're the only one that has ever been in a bad situation, everyone else is lying.



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26 Oct 2006, 6:03 am

I very much doubt that there are many people who call themselves emos and try to act like they're depressed when they're not. It is probably depression that leads people into the emo subculture in the first place.



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26 Oct 2006, 2:59 pm

I am not really sure .....but I am 90% that the first person who wrote the first definition of asperger in http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... s+Syndrome is a an ASPIE but witnessed a severe autism case ....I doubt that an NT know that much about asperger and autism .The tic-tac in pool description is to show tha asperger is way milder than autism ..that s mean he knows the difference between the 2 and I doubt that any NT would know such thing ....how many NTs you met know the word asperger or autism > even if some heard abt autism on TV ...how many of them know the concept of the spectrum?

The fact is ....that many autistics with severe autism (called ppl with severe HFA) don't believe in Asperger as a disorder or as a part of autism but just a kind of personality ...and many of them accuse the aspies that they are just person with weak personality and low self-esteem that use "aspie" as a label to justify their social failure .

If you read this http://thiswayoflife.org/whatisitlike.html you can realise how much autism can be far more severe than asperger ....

and if u surf the net you may found out that many severe autistics say that .....in fact a sever autism IS a disability and asperger is a paradise compared to it .


To be honest , the definition of urbandict. is partialy right for some "aspies" .



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26 Oct 2006, 9:40 pm

Enigmatic_Oddity wrote:
I very much doubt that there are many people who call themselves emos and try to act like they're depressed when they're not. It is probably depression that leads people into the emo subculture in the first place.


I disagree with that.



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27 Oct 2006, 1:42 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Many autistics with severe autism don't believe in Asperger as a disorder or as a part of autism but just a kind of personality ...and many of them accuse the aspies that they are just person with weak personality and low self-esteem that use "aspie" as a label to justify their social failure .


Either everyone here has AS, or we are all social ret*ds looking for excuses. Neither of these views can be proven to be right or wrong, so we have to choose one of these explanations based on whether we would willingly inflict harm on our ego or not.

I am mostly ambivalent about which is true, but I lean towards believing that I have AS. I am well aware that this may only be to protect myself from the alternate truth.

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I disagree with that.


Maybe I'm wrong, especially since I don't know any people who identify as emos. I just can't imagine that pretending to be depressed could be 'cool' today. It is offensive to people who are actually depressed. And silly - why on earth would anyone want to be depressed?



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27 Oct 2006, 8:28 pm

I have no idea.



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28 Oct 2006, 9:56 am

Stereotypes are so ridiculous. Usually anyway, they're probably nessesary sometimes, especially to small minds and black, run-with-the-crowed hearts, I've been called everything from punk to grunge to dyke to tree-hugger to prude to slut to looser (for really dumb reasons) to hick to witch to slacker to girly-girl, the list goes on. I'm proud to say that the small minds who pointed their fingers at me and called me a (fill in the blank) never came close to classifying me with one stupid human brand name, and I think it frustrated the hell out of some of them.



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28 Oct 2006, 1:24 pm

Nice one, Sixela.

I like emo music, but I like all sorts of other stuff as well. Just because I like that style of music, and get depressed sometimes (not as a result, I hasten to add - I think personality influences musical tastes, not the other way around) DOES NOT MEAN that I am some sort of fashion-chasing fake loser.

I wear my heart on my sleeve, I listen to what I like, and if anyone doesn't like it that's just tough.


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04 Nov 2006, 4:32 pm

Never have been.

Emos drown in self-pity. I don't, and have little patience for those who do.

Emos tend to cry and mope a great deal. I haven't cried in years, and I don't believe in moping. I believe in getting even.

Emos tend to have a much more "trendy" outlook on sexuality than I do. I guess I'm just old-fashioned, or "repressed" or whatever the catchall term is these days for having higher standards than a dog who spends his day humping shoes.

I am comfortable with being a woman (my actual sex), and view those who aren't comfortable being their actual sex as illogical and unstable at best.

Some emos are cutters. I never have been, and I have no patience for those who are.

I don't whine about wanting to kill myself, and largely view those who do as engaging in a pathetic bid for attention. (And if they overestimate the lethality of their chosen method in their bid for attention and die, that's natural selection for you.)

Whiny music is absolutely repulsive to me. I'd far sooner hear music about beating the asses of the deserving.

I'm not obsessed with my "image", and view those who are as incredibly shallow wastes of flesh.

Toxic people who mostly just make other people around them feel emotionally drained and depressed are people I want to take a ballbat after. They just suck the life out of everything, and there's no excuse for it.

I don't dress like a homeless person.

I have the maturity to understand that the whole world is not in fact out of step but me, a realization most emos have not come to. Yes, they're one in a million alright... what a pity they're not intelligent enough to realize that the circus fat lady is too.

I have the maturity to understand the world does not revolve around me, yet another realization most emos have not come to.

I am not a spoiled middle-class suburban prince or princess who has no real problems, but who desperately tries to pretend they do in order to inject drama and a sense of self-importance into an otherwise meaningless life.

I suppose that's sufficient. I've known people who legitimately suffer from depression. It's not fun, it's not cool, it's not trendy, and it's not some perverse inverted-standard way to be somehow "better" than others. It's a legitimate health concern, and deserves to be treated as such, not made a mockery of by bored but otherwise normal teenagers who are mostly just trying to piss off their parents.



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04 Nov 2006, 5:02 pm

Well you're not very judgemental, are you?


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