connection ???
lelia
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I was just thinking about the nature of connection. I do not feel connected to people when in their presence. It is as though I am just there, like furniture; not real to them. I've gone through life slipping past the social landscape, barely touching it, whereas they are fully real to one another and can make contact.
Some have told me they loved me, but I felt emotionally flat and couldn't feel connected to them in any meaningful way. I have loved only once, but it was not reciprocal, and do not know how much was based on what I imagined them to be (i.e., poor theory of mind).
Sometimes I read about others who have experienced very similar things in life to me and briefly feel some kind of connection or fondness. Extrapolating from that to understand how others experience connection in their lives does not work for me. I think it's definitely the autism.
It's like meeting someone who shares your special interest and the two of you can talk about it for hours, and you look forward to getting together again so you can share your passion for your interest again.
I think.
But then again, I'm autistic. How the H*** would I know what they're talking about? That's just what I think of as feeling connected.
some people who said they felt connected to me are on the spectrum, I think I shall question them on it. I avoided questioning them previously as I did not want to be rude. I thought it might go down badly when they said that they felt connected to me to ask them what on earth they were talking about. However its bugging me now so I shall ask them.
so Lelia- do you think it just means enjoying spending time with people? why dont they just say that then?
Outlier- do people get cross at you for not reciprocating their feelings and for not knowing what they are feeling? How do you respond to this?
DonkeyBuster- I shall ask them if that is what they mean, I dont think I shared any special interests or other things in common with these people though. I wonder if aspies use NT terms without having the same definition as NT use for them?
They rarely get cross at me for not reciprocating. It's very odd. I grew up never reciprocating emotionally to my parents and I can't recall it bothering them much at all.
Those who said they loved me were mostly emotionally independent types and did not express anything beyond mild annoyance or upset at my lack of reciprocation. The worst I can remember is one of them giving me a horrible lecture when we were in public one day supposed to be enjoying ourselves. He was the one I tried to reciprocate to most in my life, but he still accused me of treating him like furniture. He would also bully me about how I didn't get things right in general.
I responded to his lecture and bullying by trying to discuss things reasonably; this only escalated things. In retrospect I can see that he didn't accept me for who I was and put his needs first. It's too stressful being around those who don't accept me. I can try to improve in some ways, but cannot change certain basic things about myself.
Yes Outlier, I am the same.
Ive changed/improved all that I can, whats left is fixed/permanent.
I cant be bothered with people not understanding me or explaining myself to people any more, I dont feel motivated to.
I feel that people should like me or sod off.
I just dont seem to get any benefit from people at all, I cant see a point in having to do with them if they are going to give me a hard time.
Ive been thinking about this and I actually think that maybe they are lying, I think maybe they think that if they say that the feel a connection to me it will flatter me and make me like them. I think it maybe a tool people use to give the feeling of closeness with people, to make people be nice to them.
I get frustrated when people idolize me and 'make out' that they think Im so great, and then when they see that infact I was correct in saying I was not like that, they 'take it out' on me and behave spitefully and resentfully. I understand tht they respond like this because they feel rejected and that their aim in 'idoliziong' me was to make me be nice to them. But I would prefer it if people behaved in a more neutral but consistant fashion.
I get frustrated when people idolize me and 'make out' that they think Im so great, and then when they see that infact I was correct in saying I was not like that, they 'take it out' on me and behave spitefully and resentfully. I understand tht they respond like this because they feel rejected and that their aim in 'idoliziong' me was to make me be nice to them. But I would prefer it if people behaved in a more neutral but consistant fashion.
It's certainly a possibility that they are lying, to say you feel a connexion with someone is meant to be one of the biggest compliments you can give someone.
I've always taken it to mean that you enjoy being with someone, you feel safe with them and you can predict said persons actions... even if you have different likes and dislikes, different interests and whatnot.
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I very seldom feel "connection"...except maybe to the small handful of friends I have had for years...who are mostly non-neurotypical..
I would like to though....I would not mind having a female friend..for example..who knew where I was coming from..who I didn't offend or whatever it is we do that makes female-friendships not happen
I have a sort of female acquaintance who is kind of like this....but she is refreshingly eccentric
But um...howyousay....when I get praised and flattered by someone...it makes me feel weird...and worry about their sincerity...or their real motives for the flattery
A lady my partner was sorta dating for a while liked to go on and on and on about how totally cool and pretty and interesting and talented she thought I was....and it was a little overwhelming..
That kinda stuff has nothing to do with "connection"...I am not sure whether people carry on like this because they want to receive flattery in return...or some kind of reassurance....
Whatever it is, it is something I am not automatically able to provide in conventional ways...
This is the sort of thing that people might have a hard time understanding about me.
I am a "gifter"....I compensate for not connecting by giving gifts to people...and then I think that usually gets misinterpreted...
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No, don't ask them. That's not why I said what I did. You asked what it might feel like, and I was suggesting it might be LIKE when one shares a special interest with someone... not that you and they did. I made the assumption that at some point in your life you had had the pleasant experience of sharing a special interest with someone equally passionate about it.
If that was a false assumption, then the example is useless.
poopylungstuffing wrote
That kinda stuff has nothing to do with "connection"...I am not sure whether people carry on like this because they want to receive flattery in return...or some kind of reassurance....
Sometimes I think it's their way of stimming... I've watched a few people very closely and some seem to enjoy it for itself... or maybe a sort of special interest? Anyway, they were really getting off on it...
No, don't ask them. That's not why I said what I did. You asked what it might feel like, and I was suggesting it might be LIKE when one shares a special interest with someone... not that you and they did. I made the assumption that at some point in your life you had had the pleasant experience of sharing a special interest with someone equally passionate about it.
If that was a false assumption, then the example is useless.
poopylungstuffing wrote
That kinda stuff has nothing to do with "connection"...I am not sure whether people carry on like this because they want to receive flattery in return...or some kind of reassurance....
Sometimes I think it's their way of stimming... I've watched a few people very closely and some seem to enjoy it for itself... or maybe a sort of special interest? Anyway, they were really getting off on it...
oh, they read the forum so they will have seen this (and be cross at me) so I see no further harm in questioning them on this.
I ve not met anyone with much in common with me such as special interests but the people I do like best have more in common with me than other people so perhaps it is just an 'over extrapolation' of that situation.
I guess my lack of understanding of this stems from never feeling comfortable with anyone so it must be just too far from my own experiences to imagine.
I would like to though....I would not mind having a female friend..for example..who knew where I was coming from..who I didn't offend or whatever it is we do that makes female-friendships not happen
I have a sort of female acquaintance who is kind of like this....but she is refreshingly eccentric
But um...howyousay....when I get praised and flattered by someone...it makes me feel weird...and worry about their sincerity...or their real motives for the flattery
A lady my partner was sorta dating for a while liked to go on and on and on about how totally cool and pretty and interesting and talented she thought I was....and it was a little overwhelming..
That kinda stuff has nothing to do with "connection"...I am not sure whether people carry on like this because they want to receive flattery in return...or some kind of reassurance....
Whatever it is, it is something I am not automatically able to provide in conventional ways...
This is the sort of thing that people might have a hard time understanding about me.
I am a "gifter"....I compensate for not connecting by giving gifts to people...and then I think that usually gets misinterpreted...
thats very interesting Poopy!
I give people stuff aswell to compensate for being a bit, rubbish, but I find that it makes people uncomfortable and withdraw so I try not to now. I also send people cards which gets a mixed responce.
I get frustrated when people idolize me and 'make out' that they think Im so great, and then when they see that infact I was correct in saying I was not like that, they 'take it out' on me and behave spitefully and resentfully. I understand tht they respond like this because they feel rejected and that their aim in 'idoliziong' me was to make me be nice to them. But I would prefer it if people behaved in a more neutral but consistant fashion.
It's certainly a possibility that they are lying, to say you feel a connexion with someone is meant to be one of the biggest compliments you can give someone.
I've always taken it to mean that you enjoy being with someone, you feel safe with them and you can predict said persons actions... even if you have different likes and dislikes, different interests and whatnot.
Michjo, why do you think people find that a compliment?
no wonder I dont feel conections with people, I can not predict anyone and feel uncomfortable with everyone.
I ve not met anyone with much in common with me such as special interests but the people I do like best have more in common with me than other people so perhaps it is just an 'over extrapolation' of that situation.
I guess my lack of understanding of this stems from never feeling comfortable with anyone so it must be just too far from my own experiences to imagine.
It's not so much a matter of doing harm, just more along the lines of wrong direction.
The experience of liking one person better than another because of having something in common with them is what I'm talking about. I think what NTs are experiencing is something like that, only more, much more.
They do seem to get soooo carried away with it.

I get frustrated when people idolize me and 'make out' that they think Im so great, and then when they see that infact I was correct in saying I was not like that, they 'take it out' on me and behave spitefully and resentfully. I understand tht they respond like this because they feel rejected and that their aim in 'idoliziong' me was to make me be nice to them. But I would prefer it if people behaved in a more neutral but consistant fashion.
It's certainly a possibility that they are lying, to say you feel a connexion with someone is meant to be one of the biggest compliments you can give someone.
I've always taken it to mean that you enjoy being with someone, you feel safe with them and you can predict said persons actions... even if you have different likes and dislikes, different interests and whatnot.
Michjo, why do you think people find that a compliment?
no wonder I dont feel conections with people, I can not predict anyone and feel uncomfortable with everyone.
I only think it's a compliment from past observations, having seen people use it and such. I have a friend who has a different girlfriend nearly every week and it seems to be a common line for him. I don't personally understand compliments, so i couldn't suggest to you, as to why people are complimented by it.