How do NT's have a conversation with surrounding chaos?
I was just wondering about this as I was invited to a dinner with some other people. I found the interaction frustrating as I can't handle the distractions. Someone will ask me a question about my research (not simple to explain) and then as soon as I start to talk it's "excuse me, could you please pass the bread" time. Then as soon as I regather my train of thought the waiter comes and interrupts once more.... then a loud motorcycle takes off outside.... then an obnoxious hyena laugh goes off at the table next to us.
After that I just gave up trying. No NT's are ever as bothered by this kind of crap as I am. They just take it all in stride. They never get anxious and discombobulated like I do. What gives?
Also, why does it always feel like I get interrupted proportionately more often than anyone else when I get the least amount of time speaking?
The tendency of people with AS to get distracted by noises more often than other people is commonplace if not virtually uniform. I've noticed that I, personally, have gotten better at shutting out noise as I got older - when I was a toddler, my mother reported that once I stepped outside into the streets of Montréal I would have my hands covering my ears and appear to be in great distress. It's not nearly that bad now. Also note that people without AS may have trouble with this as well, albeit generally not as much. If the noises are indeed loud, then if you suggest moving to a quieter location the other person may be sympathetic.
Being interrupted all the time, I find, can mean two things (one, the other, or perhaps both). The first is, sadly, that other people may just be trying to cut you off. This is especially the case if you aren't a particularly active listener; you might be, and hang around with good people, so this might not apply. The second is that you may not give an adequate enough indication that you have not yet finished what you are saying. If your voice is monotone, your body language is inexpressive in conversation, or there are many pauses in your speech, you may be misread in this fashion. There may be other contributing factors to the second possibility that I'm not thinking of, too.
Being interrupted all the time, I find, can mean two things (one, the other, or perhaps both). The first is, sadly, that other people may just be trying to cut you off. This is especially the case if you aren't a particularly active listener; you might be, and hang around with good people, so this might not apply. The second is that you may not give an adequate enough indication that you have not yet finished what you are saying. If your voice is monotone, your body language is inexpressive in conversation, or there are many pauses in your speech, you may be misread in this fashion. There may be other contributing factors to the second possibility that I'm not thinking of, too.
Honestly though the interruptions aren't just me. It just feels like it in the moment psychologically because it irritates me so much. Everyone gets interrupted. It's just that they are able to continue on after the interruption as if it never happened while I'm left stammering trying to remember where I left off. I just can't hold onto a thought when there's distractions going on.
As an NT, I am bothered by it, I don't take it in stride, and it does make me anxious and discombobulated.
When I'm in the car, it's music or conversation. The radio/CD has to be turned off if I'm going to really listen and talk to someone.
When I'm at home it's the same. TV gets muted or turned off, and how does anyone hear on a cell phone??? It's no wonder everyone talks so LOUDLY in public...
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i know exactley how you feel, i get hyper first then anxious and im like a squirrl after that nut, i need the heck out of there!
serenity now ala george castanza doesnt work btw so dont even try it. ![]()
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methinks NTs generally drift in & out of conversation rather mindlessly, whereas aspie's, if they do communicate take things quite seriously.. for instance, presumably to the OP, your research is an important & interesting thing, as it should be, but to the average NT it's "just another topic" in their crazy social game.. bit of a generalisation but i think people can understand that.
That's it! It's all fluff to them. They asks me a question but then act like they don't really care about the answer. It's infuriating to me. People always change the subject after an interruption as if they don't realize I wasn't finished. Also, it's not like I'm boring them with lot of detail. I try to explain things in a way anyone can understand. It takes quite a bit of effort on my part. I'd rather not be asked in the first place if other people can't be bothered to follow me.
So every AS individual is going to give 100% of their undivided attention to me when I have a conversation with them? And no matter what topic I bring up, you guys are going to be enthusiastic and interested and engaged?
Don't think so. Being dismissive or uninterested works both ways.
I do understand what you're saying, cause I get the glazed over eyes and subject changes a lot, but please don't act like it's all NTs, all of the time.
So every AS individual is going to give 100% of their undivided attention to me when I have a conversation with them? And no matter what topic I bring up, you guys are going to be enthusiastic and interested and engaged?
Don't think so. Being dismissive or uninterested works both ways.
I do understand what you're saying, cause I get the glazed over eyes and subject changes a lot, but please don't act like it's all NTs, all of the time.
I didn't say it was all NT's all the time. It's mostly aggressive extroverted NT's who act this way and bowl me over during conversations. It's the type A male doctor personality. These are personality types that I classify as being highly NT, as in being the polar opposite of autistic. Sorry if that offends you. I don't know what other word to use. These personality types irritate me with their social fakeness. I prefer quiet thoughtful types.
Obviously I can't speak for all aspies but I generally don't change the subject when someone else hasn't completed their thought because that seems rude to me. If my eyes are glazing over I at least wait for a when the speaker finishes their thought to change the subject.
A lot of aggressive people who according to society have "good" social skills think it's okay to change the subject after the speaker gets interrupted by something outside the speakers control. I don't like the mid-sentence interruption "could you pass the bread" <pause> <change subject> phenomena. I don't desire undivided attantion. I just wish people would wait 10 more seconds for me to finish before changing the subject.
Ok, true.
Oh no, it didn't offend me at all.
Yes, but you and Fudo mentioned that your topics are treated as fluff by some. And I agree that there are many people who ask questions and then don't listen to the answer. It happens to me all the time. But, and I'm not saying this is you, I've read many times on this forum that those with AS consider NTs to be full of fluff, and my point on this thread is that it's not all of us. Some do try very hard to be polite and listen and understand. I guess that just wasn't the case with your dinner companions.
The man I know that I think has AS does interrupt and change the subject frequently. And when he's had enough of the conversation, he'll announce 'I need to go to bed now' - even if I'm in the middle of a thought. I mean I've gotten used to it, and it's kinda cute cause I expect it, but it still happens.
Agreed.
I have that feeling too, it's really frustrating. This happens a lot in group conversations.
I also have this problem that I can't command the volume of my voice, it goes down when I feel less confident. So everytime communication goes wrong, I feel less confident, my speech goes down, which makes it even harder to be understood and I just end up saying nothing the whole evening.
On the other hand, I ignore other people just as well sometimes; specially when I feel I have to be dominant in a situation. Sometimes it makes me rude, or arrogant and I feel bad about it afterwards, but other times it was the 'right' way to behave and people don't make a big deal out of it.
I've spent some time observing all the non-verbal aspects of communication and read about it. But it just goes so fast and is so subtle, it's allmost impossible to come up with a good strategy to get around this problem and just blend in.
I don't really believe anymore it's worth the effort to pretend like I'm 'normal'. I do my best to get along with everyone.
I'm patient towards people who are not smart in certain areas and I respect them for who they are... so if a person doesn't have the decency to try the same for me, it's his problem, not mine.
