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08 May 2010, 10:35 pm

Hi

Ok so I think I'm an aspie, I'm not sure yet, I've just read what is Asperger's a few hours ago. Sorry for my bad english, i'm french :)

So here's my (long) story :

I don't know how to make friends. It's like that since my childhood. I don't hang out with people I know, and when I hang out with someone, I may do it one time or twice, but never more than that...

8 months ago I started college, and I made some acquaintances quite fast. I went at school every morning, said hi, talked a little bit. But, there was something weird. For exemple, when they went to the university' "restaurant", they always asked each other, but not me. Or sometimes I asked them, you know, trying to make friends. So I eat with them, speak about things, listen to them, trying to be "normal". And I thought it was working.

But then there is the "hanging out" thing that doesn't work. My acquaintances never asked me "hey do you want to go to this party, or do you want to go to this bar". Never, not once. And they have a bunch of friends. Often, they knew each other and were friends and hanged out together, but never asked me. Sometimes they were speaking in front of me of some party, and didn't invite me. And I feel weird asking "Hey, there's a party ? Can I come ?". I'm not even sure this is "socially acceptable" or if that would be even weirder...

So I tried to ask them to go to some bar or something. But they told me "Oh no, we're going to study tonight", or that they had better things to do. Well, that's fine. I thought : well, now, they know that I want to make friends, that I'm not associal, that I was to see them outside of school, so they'll invite me to parties or to hang out...

But it never happened. I never went to any party for 4 months, but I perfectly know that there were many. And then they gradually stopped asking me to have lunch with them. When I had lunch with them, it was only because I followed them. I had the feeling that they tolerated my presence, that they didn't like me, and that they smiled at me and were nice.... not to offend me !

Of course, none of them ever asked me to go to the cinema or to... mcdonald or something.

This semester, there was the birthday party of one of my acquaintance, the guy who is the closest to me (and I see him once every 3 months), and I went there. So there's a big problem with party. I hate dancing, it physically hurts me. I don't like the music they play. I don't like people who are so drunk they puke everywhere.
But whatever, I went to his birthday party, I tried to speak about cusual things... but of course I also spoke about philosophy and politics... (I don't like speaking about anything else than sciences, philosophy, sociology etc.) !

So during this party I talked for the first time to people who are in the same course of study as me, and who are the group of friends of the guy who invited me to his birthday party. AFTER the birthday party, they IGNORED me. I don't get it. During the party they were very nice. But once day I said "hi" to 2 of them, 2 others came and didn't say a word to me. WTF ?



So I could write 200 pages about how I have no social life and I feel rejected by everybody.

But I wonder WHY I'm rejected. Is it because I'm not trying hard enough to have friends ? (Again, I have absolutly no idea how to have friends, I never had a true friend...) Or because I'm just weird ? But I'm really trying not to be weird, I'm trying to speak about casual things, but that doesn't seem to work. When I try to look at people in their eyes while speaking to them, I feel some hostility in their eyes, like they don't want me to speak to them... but I'm not sure if it's an invention of my mind, just as when I walk in the street and I feel everybody looking at me.

Is it because I speak about "intelligent" stuff ? I've heard some people telling me that outside school, I shouldn't speak about "school things" like philosophy, sciences etc. But when I try to speak about something else, I'm almost certain that they KNOW that it's not natural, that I'm forcing myself to speak about it. Whenever I speak about things I like, I can do a 20 minutes long monologue, but when it comes to things I don't like, then I'm lost, and generally I do bad jokes (or good one but that I'm the only one to understand...)


I don't even know why I'm posting this... well if you can help me or tell how your social life is le emptiness... :)



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08 May 2010, 11:48 pm

You know, your post sounds a lot like my life.

I am very active in my church and local politics. Yet, I do not have any close friends, but hundreds of acquaintances. I rarely get invited to social events outside of activities at church, or public political activities. In my 15 years out of high school, I can count on one hand the number of weddings or personal events that I have been to.

One thing that I have learned in life is that when you get older, the all encompassing friend is no longer a possibilty. My friends are more acquaintances from work, church, volunteer and politcial activites and the neighborhood. I only see these people when I am involved in that particular venue of activity or when I run into them at the grocery store. Even the people that I was close to earlier in life have become acquaintances.



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09 May 2010, 1:20 am

I've just gotten used to the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more. You just know when and where to see them, what to say to them, and don't expect much more beyond that.

Or that's where I have gotten anyway.



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09 May 2010, 2:04 am

I am completely awkward in most social scenarios. I have never connected with my peers, due largely in part to my complete distaste for "age appropriate" activities (at the current time, most of my peers enjoy dancing and drinking, I can't stand either activity).

I have always connected more with people older than myself, but only intellectually.
It is difficult to connect with them on a social level due to unequal life experiences (since I lack relationships, marriage, children, etc).

I would like to have a meaningful friendship or relationship but can never even begin to connect with acquaintances on a deeper level.


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09 May 2010, 6:02 am

But why is it like that ? I mean there must be an explaination ? It's not like I'm not trying to have friends !



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09 May 2010, 6:45 am

I've had acquaintances, for years, until the late fall of 2006. I also connect with people who are older than me, on a nostalgic level. I've always been an old soul.


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09 May 2010, 6:50 am

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But I wonder WHY I'm rejected. Is it because I'm not trying hard enough to have friends ? (Again, I have absolutly no idea how to have friends, I never had a true friend...) Or because I'm just weird ? But I'm really trying not to be weird, I'm trying to speak about casual things, but that doesn't seem to work. When I try to look at people in their eyes while speaking to them, I feel some hostility in their eyes, like they don't want me to speak to them... but I'm not sure if it's an invention of my mind, just as when I walk in the street and I feel everybody looking at me.

Is it because I speak about "intelligent" stuff ? I've heard some people telling me that outside school, I shouldn't speak about "school things" like philosophy, sciences etc. But when I try to speak about something else, I'm almost certain that they KNOW that it's not natural, that I'm forcing myself to speak about it. Whenever I speak about things I like, I can do a 20 minutes long monologue, but when it comes to things I don't like, then I'm lost, and generally I do bad jokes (or good one but that I'm the only one to understand...)


I don't even know why I'm posting this... well if you can help me or tell how your social life is le emptiness... Smile


It may be that you are 'trying too hard'. People can sense desperation, and it is quite off-putting. Don't worry, you don't need to add 'don't look desperate' to your list of things to do, you just need to stand back a bit and realise that these people aren't that big a deal.

You say you like 'deep' conversation and you hate dancing. If you are trying to be friends with people who don't like the same topics you do, or who love clubbing/partying, then it is going to be hard; they probably are aware that you are faking it to some extent. Don't pretend to be someone you are not; choose your friends to compliment your own personality.

If you are interested in philosophy or the sciences, then maybe join a couple of societies at your college that feature these. It's easier to be sociable when you enjoy what you are talking about. That said, 20 minute monologues are a sure way to lose your audience. Keep it to a minute max and then give them a turn to speak.

Other than that, practice sounding interested in other people (a lot are very interesting, you just need to give them an opening).



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09 May 2010, 7:50 am

Quartz11 wrote:
I've just gotten used to the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more. You just know when and where to see them, what to say to them, and don't expect much more beyond that.

Why bother? Do you really get anything out of it? I find it quite insulting that somebody would not want to be nothing more than an acquaintance to me. If they do not have the time or energy to get to know me better then I do not have the time or energy to engage in vacuous pleasantries just to make them feel comfortable.



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09 May 2010, 7:58 am

Kiro wrote:
But I wonder WHY I'm rejected. Is it because I'm not trying hard enough to have friends ? (Again, I have absolutly no idea how to have friends, I never had a true friend...) Or because I'm just weird ? But I'm really trying not to be weird, I'm trying to speak about casual things, but that doesn't seem to work. When I try to look at people in their eyes while speaking to them, I feel some hostility in their eyes, like they don't want me to speak to them... but I'm not sure if it's an invention of my mind, just as when I walk in the street and I feel everybody looking at me.

It's OK, it's not your fault. It's just that the people you have encountered so far have been jerks. Why would you want to be friends with people who cannot accept you for who you are and treat you that way?

Keep trying and keep being yourself and I'm sure it will happen eventually. Ignore people that tell you that you have to act this way or do this or do that because being fake will not get you the kinds of friends that matter.



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09 May 2010, 8:33 am

Kiro wrote:
Hi

Ok so I think I'm an aspie, I'm not sure yet, I've just read what is Asperger's a few hours ago. Sorry for my bad english, i'm french :)

So here's my (long) story :

I don't know how to make friends. It's like that since my childhood. I don't hang out with people I know, and when I hang out with someone, I may do it one time or twice, but never more than that...

8 months ago I started college, and I made some acquaintances quite fast. I went at school every morning, said hi, talked a little bit. But, there was something weird. For exemple, when they went to the university' "restaurant", they always asked each other, but not me. Or sometimes I asked them, you know, trying to make friends. So I eat with them, speak about things, listen to them, trying to be "normal". And I thought it was working.

But then there is the "hanging out" thing that doesn't work. My acquaintances never asked me "hey do you want to go to this party, or do you want to go to this bar". Never, not once. And they have a bunch of friends. Often, they knew each other and were friends and hanged out together, but never asked me. Sometimes they were speaking in front of me of some party, and didn't invite me. And I feel weird asking "Hey, there's a party ? Can I come ?". I'm not even sure this is "socially acceptable" or if that would be even weirder...

So I tried to ask them to go to some bar or something. But they told me "Oh no, we're going to study tonight", or that they had better things to do. Well, that's fine. I thought : well, now, they know that I want to make friends, that I'm not associal, that I was to see them outside of school, so they'll invite me to parties or to hang out...

But it never happened. I never went to any party for 4 months, but I perfectly know that there were many. And then they gradually stopped asking me to have lunch with them. When I had lunch with them, it was only because I followed them. I had the feeling that they tolerated my presence, that they didn't like me, and that they smiled at me and were nice.... not to offend me !

Of course, none of them ever asked me to go to the cinema or to... mcdonald or something.

This semester, there was the birthday party of one of my acquaintance, the guy who is the closest to me (and I see him once every 3 months), and I went there. So there's a big problem with party. I hate dancing, it physically hurts me. I don't like the music they play. I don't like people who are so drunk they puke everywhere.
But whatever, I went to his birthday party, I tried to speak about cusual things... but of course I also spoke about philosophy and politics... (I don't like speaking about anything else than sciences, philosophy, sociology etc.) !

So during this party I talked for the first time to people who are in the same course of study as me, and who are the group of friends of the guy who invited me to his birthday party. AFTER the birthday party, they IGNORED me. I don't get it. During the party they were very nice. But once day I said "hi" to 2 of them, 2 others came and didn't say a word to me. WTF ?



So I could write 200 pages about how I have no social life and I feel rejected by everybody.

But I wonder WHY I'm rejected. Is it because I'm not trying hard enough to have friends ? (Again, I have absolutly no idea how to have friends, I never had a true friend...) Or because I'm just weird ? But I'm really trying not to be weird, I'm trying to speak about casual things, but that doesn't seem to work. When I try to look at people in their eyes while speaking to them, I feel some hostility in their eyes, like they don't want me to speak to them... but I'm not sure if it's an invention of my mind, just as when I walk in the street and I feel everybody looking at me.

Is it because I speak about "intelligent" stuff ? I've heard some people telling me that outside school, I shouldn't speak about "school things" like philosophy, sciences etc. But when I try to speak about something else, I'm almost certain that they KNOW that it's not natural, that I'm forcing myself to speak about it. Whenever I speak about things I like, I can do a 20 minutes long monologue, but when it comes to things I don't like, then I'm lost, and generally I do bad jokes (or good one but that I'm the only one to understand...)


I don't even know why I'm posting this... well if you can help me or tell how your social life is le emptiness... :)

OK, wow! As I was reading this I kept saying to myself "me too!". Most of the things you said was like my first year university experience except I didn't go to any parties.



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09 May 2010, 12:29 pm

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Quartz11 wrote:
I've just gotten used to the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more. You just know when and where to see them, what to say to them, and don't expect much more beyond that.

Why bother? Do you really get anything out of it? I find it quite insulting that somebody would not want to be nothing more than an acquaintance to me. If they do not have the time or energy to get to know me better then I do not have the time or energy to engage in vacuous pleasantries just to make them feel comfortable.


The other alternative is being alone and not having anything at all. I would rather have some variety and human contact in my life, than to sit in the basement and resort to the internet 100% of the time.

Who knows, one of these acquaintances could actually develop into something more. Most of the time it doesn't, but if you don't at least try - you'd never know what could happen.



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09 May 2010, 12:33 pm

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I've just gotten used to the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more. You just know when and where to see them, what to say to them, and don't expect much more beyond that.

Why bother? Do you really get anything out of it? I find it quite insulting that somebody would not want to be nothing more than an acquaintance to me. If they do not have the time or energy to get to know me better then I do not have the time or energy to engage in vacuous pleasantries just to make them feel comfortable.


The other alternative is being alone and not having anything at all. I would rather have some variety and human contact in my life, than to sit in the basement and resort to the internet 100% of the time.

Who knows, one of these acquaintances could actually develop into something more. Most of the time it doesn't, but if you don't at least try - you'd never know what could happen.


You said that you had gotten used to "the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more".



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09 May 2010, 12:39 pm

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I've just gotten used to the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more. You just know when and where to see them, what to say to them, and don't expect much more beyond that.

Why bother? Do you really get anything out of it? I find it quite insulting that somebody would not want to be nothing more than an acquaintance to me. If they do not have the time or energy to get to know me better then I do not have the time or energy to engage in vacuous pleasantries just to make them feel comfortable.


The other alternative is being alone and not having anything at all. I would rather have some variety and human contact in my life, than to sit in the basement and resort to the internet 100% of the time.

Who knows, one of these acquaintances could actually develop into something more. Most of the time it doesn't, but if you don't at least try - you'd never know what could happen.


You said that you had gotten used to "the fact these people I'm around will be acquaintances and nothing more".


True. I did.

I accept reality for what it is, pretty much everything I have now is just an acquaintance. But, I'm not ruling out anything that could come along in the future. So I keep playing the motions and the games, see if anything better comes along.

This make any sense?



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09 May 2010, 12:44 pm

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True. I did.

I accept reality for what it is, pretty much everything I have now is just an acquaintance. But, I'm not ruling out anything that could come along in the future. So I keep playing the motions and the games, see if anything better comes along.

This make any sense?

Yeah. Good luck!