Mother of aspie
My daughter is 11. I am new to this asperger thing and am not the most educated. She will be a teen before I know it and from my limited navigation here, I am learning that many of you are aspie's , young adults and teens. I would LOVE for some if not all, of you to contact me and tell me about how it was growing up with this, any suggestions in how to react to my daughter's little quams and how to help her. Coming from those who have been there, what can I do to make my daughter's life easier!!
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Growing up with Asperger's Syndrome isn't easy. In some cases, if not most, it is impossible for a child to assimilate themselves into a classroom with their students. I always had a different way of looking at things than all the other students, and sometimes my actions and words, while having good intentions, got me into trouble, and I was never sure why. So in your daughter's case, perhaps it would be best to explain to the teacher, that he/she needs to overlook a lot of your daughter's behavior. It isn't going to be her fault when she thinks differently and acts differently. She will learn in time.
Especially in her early teen years, there will probably be a lot of emotional turmoil. This is due to hormones and the overall fact that when someone has AS, it is hard to identify with other people, and the subsequent feeling can be that of alienation or just plain loneliness.
On these boards are a lot of people who would be willing to share advice with you. I suggest coming and posting if you have a problem with your daughter, and we can give the AS aspect of the scenario for you, if it has to do with AS at all.
Good luck, and welcome!
Honestly, Teenage life can be a nightmare. You'd hope that the teachers cared about their students, but when they dont understand or know that an aspie isn't the same as everyone else, we get held to social standards that don't make sense to us. We tend to live more on the logical side then anything(black and white, to the point). Its not that we dont have imaginations, some of us can become brilliant writers and artists, but that we don't have the instinctful social and coping skills most people are born with. Many aspies have a high IQ, meaning they can comprehend and learn, but it doesn't mean we know everything. You have to realize there are things you wont be able to change about her. She's already become comfortable with a lot of things she does by now. Listen to her opinion and just try to help her understand life and know she's loved. Emotionally, aspies can get very deep in feelings, being overwhlemed with anger or sorrow. It's going to be a long and hard road but if you keep these things in mind, you should do better than my mom did.
There need to be some ground rules for you and your daughter to learn to properly communicate. As an Aspie, these will be natural to her, although some of them may be a struggle.
1. Eye contact. Always have eye contact, all the time. If she does not have eye contact, it's your job to tell her. If she looks away as she talks, you must interrupt her and tell her. It will be annoying to her but comforting- she will make the connection between "eye contact" and "communicating" and from then on will always make eye contact.
2. No yelling, hitting, screaming or tantrums. If she is having one she must stop then you must calmly discuss it with her- why were you screaming? Does screaming change anything?
3. When you use words to objectify her, use them as braodly as possible. For example, don't say "you look pretty in that dress", instead say "you always look pretty but in that dress you're extra pretty".
4. Time. She needs to have a fundamental understanding of time. "Bedtime in ten minutes" means bedtime in ten minutes, not 12. She needs to understand how time passes. With me and my youngins, I used cartoon shows... "bedtime in half an hour. A half an hour is one cartoon show". From there you can break it down. "One cartoon then a commercial is 12 minutes" and "the commercial break itself is 3 minutes". Young Aspies have trouble with the progression of time and few parents make it any easier.
5. Definitive answers. "Come here now" means you have 5 seconds to come here. And going to the bathroom takes no more than 5 minutes. And when you ask her something, ask it bluntly- "pick up those socks" instead of "can you please pick up those socks".
6. Mine and yours. She has her space and this is her personal space. It's hers; no one can take it away from her. She is free to keep her space a little messy, but not a pig sty. Make sure she has a well-defined personal space. This way, when she feels a tantrum coming on she can go to her space... this spatially helps her cope knowing this space is hers and no one else's.
7. Treat her like an older child. No baby talking, no "special needs talking"... Aspies have a very good vocabulary and generally relate to others older or younger than herself. Use bigger words, don't use baby words.
8. Encourage her to express herself. Art, blocks, clay etc... she has a talent for something, it's your job to find it.
9. Dealing with other kids. As long as she understands etiquette (points 1 and 2) and time (point 3), she can have normal friends. Friends should come over at a specific pre-determined time and leave at an established time. As long as there is control over the interaction (ground rules), there's no reason she can't have "normal" friends.
10. Aspies need to be touched, hugged, kissed and loved more. Aspies percieve things differently and sense things differently. If an Aspie child grows up without touching, as an adult they won't like being touched. Aspies like having their backs rubbed for hours- the sensation of your warm hand on her back is comforting.
That's all I can think of.
Be there for her, give her your support, make her feel safe. That she knows what's happening around her, no surprises, unexpected things. Give her routines, daily routines I didn't have that as a child and I didn't feel safe.
Also we hate changes, don't change too much, don't move.
Give her a comfort zone.
I have told you what I missed growing up, if I had had these things I would have been much happier.
1. Eye contact. Always have eye contact, all the time. If she does not have eye contact, it's your job to tell her. If she looks away as she talks, you must interrupt her and tell her. It will be annoying to her but comforting- she will make the connection between "eye contact" and "communicating" and from then on will always make eye contact.
2. No yelling, hitting, screaming or tantrums. If she is having one she must stop then you must calmly discuss it with her- why were you screaming? Does screaming change anything?
3. When you use words to objectify her, use them as braodly as possible. For example, don't say "you look pretty in that dress", instead say "you always look pretty but in that dress you're extra pretty".
4. Time. She needs to have a fundamental understanding of time. "Bedtime in ten minutes" means bedtime in ten minutes, not 12. She needs to understand how time passes. With me and my youngins, I used cartoon shows... "bedtime in half an hour. A half an hour is one cartoon show". From there you can break it down. "One cartoon then a commercial is 12 minutes" and "the commercial break itself is 3 minutes". Young Aspies have trouble with the progression of time and few parents make it any easier.
5. Definitive answers. "Come here now" means you have 5 seconds to come here. And going to the bathroom takes no more than 5 minutes. And when you ask her something, ask it bluntly- "pick up those socks" instead of "can you please pick up those socks".
6. Mine and yours. She has her space and this is her personal space. It's hers; no one can take it away from her. She is free to keep her space a little messy, but not a pig sty. Make sure she has a well-defined personal space. This way, when she feels a tantrum coming on she can go to her space... this spatially helps her cope knowing this space is hers and no one else's.
7. Treat her like an older child. No baby talking, no "special needs talking"... Aspies have a very good vocabulary and generally relate to others older or younger than herself. Use bigger words, don't use baby words.
8. Encourage her to express herself. Art, blocks, clay etc... she has a talent for something, it's your job to find it.
9. Dealing with other kids. As long as she understands etiquette (points 1 and 2) and time (point 3), she can have normal friends. Friends should come over at a specific pre-determined time and leave at an established time. As long as there is control over the interaction (ground rules), there's no reason she can't have "normal" friends.
10. Aspies need to be touched, hugged, kissed and loved more. Aspies percieve things differently and sense things differently. If an Aspie child grows up without touching, as an adult they won't like being touched. Aspies like having their backs rubbed for hours- the sensation of your warm hand on her back is comforting.
That's all I can think of.
Your broadfacing alot here. First off too your last one there are a ton of aspies who were touched as children who can't stand being touched as adults. I still hate skin to skin contact with anyone besides my mom (I can stand it with grandparents and dad but still dont like it) and just about any contact with someone I don't know that well (understand I have a huge extended family so theres alot of family members I see 1 or 2 times a year and they always want to shake hands...
Also to # 9 theres alot to communicating effectively then eye contact and not yelling. What if she doesn't like normal things, normal shows, and what not. That's going to make communication extremely hard with NT kids and I really don't think a kid should be forced into liking that stuff to please the masses.
Next #5 sounds extremely rude. Would you put up with being ordered around like that, probably not and not even when you were a kid. How many times did you want to finish up something before you went downstairs. And not saying please sounds rude to me too, your trying to teach someone manners who probably has a hard time understanding stuff like that and your not going to say please when asking to do something, that sends mixed messages and teaches her she doesn't have to say please either.
#4 is a good idea but just thought you should know your making TV shows either 24 or 36 minutes long lol. And #2 is a good idea but I don't know if its always this way or was just with me but frequently when I had "tantrums" it was sortof and out of body experience in that I had very little control over what i was doing. Lastly, #1 seems like pleasing the masses again and alot of more severe people I've heard its scary to have eye contact all the time, I would instead teach her to look at the nose or eyelashes or something close like that so they don't have to make eye contact, most people can't tell the dif even when there looking for it.
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My dad ordered me around like that all the time. In a very rude tone, too. And not because he knew I had AS, but because he was a jerk.
And what is with limiting bathroom time? How anal is that?
>>My dad ordered me around like that all the time. In a very rude tone, too. And not because he knew I had AS, but because he was a jerk.<<
A note to all NTs. Aspies can't understand the subtleties of speech and etiquette the same way you do. Since Asperger's is a lifelong condition, what is ultimately best is to at raise your kid with a clear set of yes/no instructions, any extraneous information becomes muddled.
A child raised with yes/no parents will inevitably come to have disdain for their parents in one degree or another. But a child who was never limits will grow up severly dysfunctional.
If someone's gotta be the bad guy, and if the bad guy is not your parents, then who?
>>And what is with limiting bathroom time? How anal is that?<<
You should also give the child a clear perception of time, as in- how much time it takes to get stuff done. Allowing a child to, for example, spend all day in the bathroom will only lead to well, them spending the entire day in the bathroom! This leads to stimming, which all Aspies do. As long as the child has their own "personal space" that no one can take away from them, you are free to impose any rules you wish, including a rule that "bathroom time is no more than five minutes" and "dinnertime is no more than half an hour" and "9:00 bedtime means 9:00 bedtime" and so on and over time, the child will learn by themselves what a reasonable amount of time for any task is and as such, will be able to function normally along with NTs.
Your putting everyone together again. I get time and I prefer it when people say please to me, no aspie is ever going to say please if she is never said please to.
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What do you mean whats easy???
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Hey I am the UOPHA not you grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-p lol.
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Hey I am the UOPHA not you grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-p lol.
Sorry, but huuhh??

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Welcome! I'm another female Aspie. I'm fifteen at the moment and I was also diagnosed at eleven. It's a bit of a shock, hey? I wish my parents had been more amenable to researching it; I had to do most of my research on my own.
I agree with some of the other posters that the teen years are pretty awful, but I definitely think that the middle school years are worst.
Frankly, ladakh, I think you're way overboard.
If my parents had made me do this, I would certainly not have been comforted! I have enough issues dealing with people anyway; forcing me to look my family (my 'safe people!') in the eye every time I talk to them would make me withdraw and refuse to speak unless I couldn't avoid it! Instead, you might want to tell your daughter that, if looking other people in the eye is uncomfortable, that she can look them in the nose or look at their mouth. The recipient usually can't tell the difference, and I at least find it less stressful.
Bear in mind that Lyndah's daughter is ELEVEN. By the time I was eleven, I knew how long ten minutes was. Talking like that is almost certainly just going to seriously annoy her.
Can we say 'control freak?' You are a parent, not a prison warden. As for the 'pick up those socks' bit, I see no 'asking' in your preferred mode of communication. That's an order, flat out, and a teenager is NOT going to respond well to that. I absolutely HATE being 'told what to do' and respond much better to the latter form of communication.
Finally, something I agree almost totally with! A room of your own really helps when coming home from a long day at school. School is stressful, often very much so, especially if she does not have friends or if she is bullied (I was). Let her come out on her own if she wants to.
Uh, you do realize that some of us are not talented in any way artistically? She will probably find out her own interests; her special interest is probably what she wants to do more than anything. Given the choice, I would much prefer to have my parents help me with an interest-related activity than make me play with blocks.
Again, can we say 'control freak?' At eleven, you lose all control over if she makes friends or not. If you arrange play-dates, every kid in school will make fun of your daughter for being immature. And for god's sake, if it's a healthy friendship budding, don't do anything to kill it like forbid her to have 'normal friends' if she doesn't have a good concept of time! If she makes friends, please support it unconditionally. Especially in the middle school years, which are absolutely hellish, a close friend is a godsend.
Excuse me? Are you an Aspie, or not? I absolutely HATE being hugged or kissed, and I prefer to only be touched on MY terms. If you start rubbing my back, I will move away from you or snap at you to stop, because my back is a very hands-off area. Lyndah, I would advise you to go with what your daughter feels comfortable with in terms of touching. Don't bother her with 'extra touching' if she feels uncomfortable about it.
If she's ready for them, I would encourage her to take as many honors courses as she can handle. The kids in honors courses, in my experience, tend to be more accepting of some eccentricities and more willing to focus and work in class. They're much less frustrating to try to deal with.
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A note to all NTs. Aspies can't understand the subtleties of speech and etiquette the same way you do. Since Asperger's is a lifelong condition, what is ultimately best is to at raise your kid with a clear set of yes/no instructions, any extraneous information becomes muddled.
I like how you automatically dismiss an Aspie pointing out that ordering them around imbued them with a lasting dislike of the parent with 'Aspies can't tell the difference.' It combines a strong quality of offensiveness with overtones of condescencion. You must be proud of yourself.
If someone's gotta be the bad guy, and if the bad guy is not your parents, then who?
My parents are not 'yes/no parents.' I respect them. However, they do set limits. These are limits that I respect and understand are in place for my safety and their peace of mind (e.g., let them know if I leave the house, don't give strangers your address on the Net, etc.). They talk to me and explain their reasoning, and while I don't always agree with it, I respect them and they respect me. Somehow, I feel that a parenting style which includes limits and explanations and results in a kid that is courteous but loves her parents is superior to one that results in a child disdaining her parents. Something is wrong if your child eventually looks down on you, sweetie.
You should also give the child a clear perception of time, as in- how much time it takes to get stuff done. Allowing a child to, for example, spend all day in the bathroom will only lead to well, them spending the entire day in the bathroom! This leads to stimming, which all Aspies do. As long as the child has their own "personal space" that no one can take away from them, you are free to impose any rules you wish, including a rule that "bathroom time is no more than five minutes" and "dinnertime is no more than half an hour" and "9:00 bedtime means 9:00 bedtime" and so on and over time, the child will learn by themselves what a reasonable amount of time for any task is and as such, will be able to function normally along with NTs.
And people call US anal. What the hell is a 'reasonable time' to go to the bathroom? Who are you to dictate bodily functions? Again, you are absolutely screaming 'control freak.' Also, contrary to your apparant belief, imposing nonsensical rules does not make you a good parent. Personally, I've never met the NT that questions how long you sit on the toilet.
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