My 14 year old sister hates being called a woman?

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10 Mar 2012, 4:13 pm

And she hates me calling the women in my classes that too?

Like when I'm talking about female adults she prefers for me to call them "girls".


But I have to treat them like adults, right?


Or does my sister act like this because women don't have serious conversations with men?

Like, is saying "guys and girls" slang for young men and women?


I don't get why it would make them sound old, I'm just saying they're not little kids..
Obviously, I act about 12 so I'm not really a man, but still....


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10 Mar 2012, 4:20 pm

Where do you live muslimmetalhead?

And calling women 'girls' sounds a little bit 1970s/Bullseye to me.



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10 Mar 2012, 4:56 pm

I didn't want to be called a woman until I turned 30. For some reason, I always thought that would be the age when I would finally be an adult. It has bothered some colleagues and professors through the years that I disliked being referred to as a woman though.



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10 Mar 2012, 5:03 pm

Tequila wrote:
Where do you live muslimmetalhead?

And calling women 'girls' sounds a little bit 1970s/Bullseye to me.



Im from Michigan in the US


My family used to live in Dearborn, but I had to move the middle of freshman uear to Canton

Hwy do you ask?


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10 Mar 2012, 5:03 pm

Tequila wrote:
Where do you live muslimmetalhead?

And calling women 'girls' sounds a little bit 1970s/Bullseye to me.



Im from Michigan in the US


My family used to live in Dearborn, but I had to move the middle of freshman uear to Canton

Hwy do you ask?


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10 Mar 2012, 6:28 pm

No offense to anyone, but I don't like the word "woman" either. And I'm older and happen to be female.

I've tried to figure out why, and I think it's for a few reasons:

1. I connect it with all of the people who are female my age who I don't understand, don't relate to, and have no interest in the things they are interested in.

2. I connect it with my mother, and if I ever turn out to be like that, I don't want to live. (Sorry mom).

3. I don't like the sound of the word.


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10 Mar 2012, 9:10 pm

That seems odd. When I hear "girl" it conjures up the image of a little kid wearing pigtails playing on a jungle-gym not a young adult. It implies that the person is childlike or infantile, so it feels kind of unsettling to apply it to an adult, though I don't think a young teenager could be called a woman (adult), either. It would be great if there was an age neutral term like "guy" to refer to all female gendered people.



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10 Mar 2012, 10:01 pm

"Woman" implies a certain level of physical development, maturity and life experience which a 14 year old girl does not yet have.



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10 Mar 2012, 10:35 pm

some girls stay girls longer than other girls… and some woman become woman long before other woman.

there is no clear boundary in my opinion. i like both words, when related to someone who clearly fits it.

some 14 yo are in fact woman, and some are girls.

i use both words with respect, and always in a positive way; as a complement.



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11 Mar 2012, 11:19 am

The term 'woman' implies a certain level of formality or detachment to most people. Also, like many things associated with the state of being female, it's often used as something of an epithet and tends to carry those overtones, whether intentionally or not.



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11 Mar 2012, 7:16 pm

Is your sister an Aspie by any chance? I'm 29 year-old Aspie guy & it felt awkward the few times I was referred to as a man in my life. I think it's because I think of a typical NT adult guy when I hear the word. I'm very immature in some ways & at a lower stage in my life. I don't like being referred to as Boy either thou. I like the term Guy


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11 Mar 2012, 7:21 pm

justalouise wrote:
Also, like many things associated with the state of being female, it's often used as something of an epithet and tends to carry those overtones, whether intentionally or not.


'Girl' is meant far, far more of an insult, either patronisingly or in a misogynistic sense here.



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11 Mar 2012, 7:26 pm

nick007 wrote:
Is your sister an Aspie by any chance? I'm 29 year-old Aspie guy & it felt awkward the few times I was referred to as a man in my life. I think it's because I think of a typical NT adult guy when I hear the word. I'm very immature in some ways & at a lower stage in my life. I don't like being referred to as Boy either thou. I like the term Guy



My sister's an NT.

So NT that she's not gonna be blunt and direct, and will give me the social advice your average 6th grader would give.


And then she doesn't like me and makes fun of me.


Women just don't confide in guys like that.
I've realized it, but it's just so frustrating.


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11 Mar 2012, 8:37 pm

nick007 wrote:
Is your sister an Aspie by any chance? I'm 29 year-old Aspie guy & it felt awkward the few times I was referred to as a man in my life. I think it's because I think of a typical NT adult guy when I hear the word. I'm very immature in some ways & at a lower stage in my life. I don't like being referred to as Boy either thou. I like the term Guy


Interesting.
When I refer to adult males, I usually use the word "guy" before I'd think of using the word "man". Unfortunately, the word "girl" implies a much younger age range than the word "guy". Even though the word "gal" is probably only used regionally, I wouldn't mind being called a "gal", but "female" is my choice over the word "woman"....female is clinical.

The word "woman" embraces femininity. I guess I am not very feminine either.


boy - girl
guy - ? girl
man - woman

Where's our female match to the word "guy"?


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12 Mar 2012, 8:38 am

nick007 wrote:
Is your sister an Aspie by any chance? I'm 29 year-old Aspie guy & it felt awkward the few times I was referred to as a man in my life. I think it's because I think of a typical NT adult guy when I hear the word. I'm very immature in some ways & at a lower stage in my life. I don't like being referred to as Boy either thou. I like the term Guy


I also picture the typical NT adult guy when I think of the word man and for some unknown reason I also link it with the notion of conformism. I too prefer guy but I also refer to me as boy depending on the context. And I too am very immature in some ways, I also like being interacted-with, immature, perhaps childish manners but by no means treated or act like a child, it's more that I like things people relate to children like for example I like to play hide-and-seek but I don't know anyone my age that would like to play with me.



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12 Mar 2012, 11:21 am

I don't like the way the word sounds. xD I've never liked the word, really.
Plus, I've always been referred to as a 'girl', I still feel like a kid (and look like one), so being called a 'woman' is extremely foreign to me.