Why can't schools offer classes in socialization?

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13 Jul 2012, 1:26 pm

I'm just sitting here today angry that I'm 19 and never kissed and that I haven't had a close friend since I was 13. Even other nerds and people with Asperger's also make fun of me and insult me. If you want to know how I'm like, I'm pretty much like this guy: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris (nothing like Alex Plank or Jack Robison). The differences are that I'm not prejudiced and I'm supposedly working towards a degree in engineering, though I've found out recently that the classes are useless and that I will have to re-learn everything at my job. Plus, my parents didn't think social skills were important since they thought school came first (but like I said, its useless) and they have poor social skills.

I actually wonder why schools can't offer any classes or clubs that are useful whatsoever... most clubs either put more pressure on you or go out drinking.

I want to have kids by the time I'm 27 because the risk of Autism goes up after that, and I don't want my kids to be lonely all the time. My parents gave birth too late since they were studying too hard and didn't have enough time.



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13 Jul 2012, 1:45 pm

That wiki page reads like it was written by someone with a personal vendetta against him. Ouch



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13 Jul 2012, 1:48 pm

comatt1 wrote:
That wiki page reads like it was written by someone with a personal vendetta against him. Ouch


True but that's the best I can come up with. If you watch his videos, you'll see that he's real and makes racist and homophobic remarks. Also, he refuses to get a real job, and in his videos is proud to live off unemployment benefits (he's 30 now). Apart from these two major differences, I'm pretty similar to him (unfortunately).



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13 Jul 2012, 2:17 pm

If your sad for looking like chris chan, just try and exercize and eat healthy!

Sorry about your parents not teaching you social skills, that must have been very hard :cry:

But your skills can be improved. Just try talking to people, people who you are already friendly with. Just by doing it, socializing, I have found makes it easier later on. You cannot get stronger without lifting weights, and you cannot improve social skills without socializing!



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13 Jul 2012, 2:31 pm

Aspertastic424 wrote:
If your sad for looking like chris chan, just try and exercize and eat healthy!

Sorry about your parents not teaching you social skills, that must have been very hard :cry:

But your skills can be improved. Just try talking to people, people who you are already friendly with. Just by doing it, socializing, I have found makes it easier later on. You cannot get stronger without lifting weights, and you cannot improve social skills without socializing!


Well I do run and bike a lot, but that doesn't help since I have something called an "endomorphic" body type (which means that my body is naturally spaced out which can be helped with muscle). I have started weightlifting recently, but I didn't think to do it since although I did sports in high school, they were aerobic, since none of the other college prep kids did sports like football or shotput.

I guess a better way to say it is my parents did teach me social skills, but I wasn't good or interested, and they didn't think it was a big deal way back then when I was seven or something.

Although I try to go out, it's hard with all the schoolwork, and some people don't take kindly to me which makes it harder. And it's not just popular people (who are actually friendlier towards me since they have more confidence).



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13 Jul 2012, 2:55 pm

Well endomorphs can still be low bodyfat. I think pro bodybuilder Jay Cutler qualifies as an endomorph. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Vl_V9kF75rA/T ... ytypes.jpg Endo to ecto. I'm mostly meso, but a bit endo, I guess. Like I have naturally huge strong legs before even working out, but the upper body is more meso. But yeah, I suck at aerobic sports, but anaerobic things like weightlifting and stuff I'm not bad at.

As far as learning social skills go, well, that's mostly the reason school exists I think. To give a social environment. The GED, for example, is about as hard as a 5th-8th grade standardized test. You could easily just make kids all get GEDs after like middle school and have it be done. But, high school exists to teach you social skills. Not for any academic value, imo.



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13 Jul 2012, 3:14 pm

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Well endomorphs can still be low bodyfat. I think pro bodybuilder Jay Cutler qualifies as an endomorph. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Vl_V9kF75rA/T ... ytypes.jpg Endo to ecto. I'm mostly meso, but a bit endo, I guess. Like I have naturally huge strong legs before even working out, but the upper body is more meso. But yeah, I suck at aerobic sports, but anaerobic things like weightlifting and stuff I'm not bad at.

As far as learning social skills go, well, that's mostly the reason school exists I think. To give a social environment. The GED, for example, is about as hard as a 5th-8th grade standardized test. You could easily just make kids all get GEDs after like middle school and have it be done. But, high school exists to teach you social skills. Not for any academic value, imo.


How would kids socialize without school? :0 Unfortunately, it only teaches social skills to the people that are already popular. Even college doesn't have an academic value like I said above, unless you're going into research. I wish I had taken my GED in middle school or something and started college at age 14.



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13 Jul 2012, 3:23 pm

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Well endomorphs can still be low bodyfat. I think pro bodybuilder Jay Cutler qualifies as an endomorph. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Vl_V9kF75rA/T ... ytypes.jpg Endo to ecto. I'm mostly meso, but a bit endo, I guess. Like I have naturally huge strong legs before even working out, but the upper body is more meso. But yeah, I suck at aerobic sports, but anaerobic things like weightlifting and stuff I'm not bad at.

As far as learning social skills go, well, that's mostly the reason school exists I think. To give a social environment. The GED, for example, is about as hard as a 5th-8th grade standardized test. You could easily just make kids all get GEDs after like middle school and have it be done. But, high school exists to teach you social skills. Not for any academic value, imo.


How would kids socialize without school? :0 Unfortunately, it only teaches social skills to the people that are already popular. Even college doesn't have an academic value like I said above, unless you're going into research. I wish I had taken my GED in middle school or something and started college at age 14.


As do I. In fact I requested that and they wouldn't let me. I hate school.

Anyway though, as far as school helping kids socialize only if they're already popular, yeah, to a point, but classes in school pretty much can only help people who are already smart. It's the same way.

As far as how kids socialized without school, well, easily. Friends in the area you live, you just go outside. You start working, usually apprenticed for a trade, and yeah. I know people who are home schooled, they're in Boy Scouts, go on outings with other home school kids, etc. I definitely wish to homeschool my kids.

The real reason schools exist is just to warehouse kids so they either do not "run the streets" and to give parents a place to put kids while they work, initially in factories, at the dawn of the industrial revolution. It's not much more than a prison for 6 hours a day.

http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html
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Public school teachers are in much the same position as prison wardens. Wardens' main concern is to keep the prisoners on the premises. They also need to keep them fed, and as far as possible prevent them from killing one another. Beyond that, they want to have as little to do with the prisoners as possible, so they leave them to create whatever social organization they want. From what I've read, the society that the prisoners create is warped, savage, and pervasive, and it is no fun to be at the bottom of it.

In outline, it was the same at the schools I went to. The most important thing was to stay on the premises. While there, the authorities fed you, prevented overt violence, and made some effort to teach you something. But beyond that they didn't want to have too much to do with the kids. Like prison wardens, the teachers mostly left us to ourselves. And, like prisoners, the culture we created was barbaric.


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13 Jul 2012, 3:38 pm

Try not to target popular people. Try and join a club that has to do with your interests, and you will meet common minded people. Temple Grandin really recommends this. She says she felt like a huge misfit in school. And she is high functioning autistic ( which I presume to be a harder thing to have than aspergers.)

She says the only time she made friends was when she was in a fun activity ( like horsebacking riding.)

Id give it a try! :P



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13 Jul 2012, 4:42 pm

atdevel wrote:
comatt1 wrote:
That wiki page reads like it was written by someone with a personal vendetta against him. Ouch


True but that's the best I can come up with. If you watch his videos, you'll see that he's real and makes racist and homophobic remarks. Also, he refuses to get a real job, and in his videos is proud to live off unemployment benefits (he's 30 now). Apart from these two major differences, I'm pretty similar to him (unfortunately).



Oh, my God, that is awful, so disgusting and embarrassing.

I laughed and cried at the same time.


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13 Jul 2012, 4:45 pm

Responding the the OP's main question...

Organizing the change would be a massive nationwide undertaking, using resources, endless consulting, and various opinions on methods used.

Secondly, why would they do that if 95% of people have no problem socialising? It's almost like teaching 10 y/o kids to walk - they can already do it.

And thirdly, would it not be the responsibility of the parents? Or at least that point would be the topic of much discussion.