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Cfroi
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17 Aug 2012, 7:45 am

The world is like a 2D pool, everyone has their own package of puzzling. Incompleteness of their puzzles makes them feel lonely. So, they tried to match their puzzles with each other back and forth, sometimes match well, and sometimes not quite match. It's like a pool of pieces bouncing around on a flat table. No matter how many conflicts and surprises there is, people have no problem with it, because, they are in the same dimensions. By continuous trial and error, no matter whether they succeed, they has a fantasy of getting a full picture with others.

And for people who never feel "fit" into this world, there is nothing comparable to the 2D pool. It's just like, we also got a package of puzzles. And, there is nothing missing. But, we play our puzzling vertically, cutting again the "normal 2D pool". Our puzzle is not 3D, also in 2D, but just has a very narrow area of impact into that normal 2D pool. Occasionally, some people see us, astonished by our deep intelligent. But most of the time, no one sees us.

My interpretation:
Most of the time, people around me chit chat so much. But no one seems to collide into me. Even some very kind ones invited me to some activities, I never feel so "into". I have normal physical body, ordinary wealth and ordinary occupation like others. But never can I feel the same way as others. Even there are some other people not fit into this normal pool, their puzzles are still in certain inclination to the normal 2D pool. Those inclinations are in different degrees, so, each of this "out-fitters" are still not in the same dimensions. Ultimately, I can't find anything spiritually fulfilling, no matter how physically close I get to anyone.
I feel… puzzled.

Anyone agree? Or am I just the weird one?


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17 Aug 2012, 7:51 am

I like the analogy.
However i have many spiritual experiences - often its like im in my own little world, on my own special trip that fate has planned out for me.
My interactions or observations more often are very intense and result in much analysis and i spend so much time interpreting the meaning of everything.
I truly am in awe most of the time - sometimes positive awe or negative awe - thats why i like to call it awetism.
(Caveat - BTW i believe in both fate and free will operating simultaneously)


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17 Aug 2012, 8:36 am

Cfroi wrote:

Most of the time, people around me chit chat so much. But no one seems to collide into me. Even some very kind ones invited me to some activities, I never feel so "into". I have normal physical body, ordinary wealth and ordinary occupation like others. But never can I feel the same way as others. Even there are some other people not fit into this normal pool, their puzzles are still in certain inclination to the normal 2D pool. Those inclinations are in different degrees, so, each of this "out-fitters" are still not in the same dimensions. Ultimately, I can't find anything spiritually fulfilling, no matter how physically close I get to anyone.
I feel… puzzled.

Anyone agree? Or am I just the weird one?


Funny you say this, because that's what I'm studying. According to the social theory I've been reading, people live in social universes that include things like social rules, idioms, shared beliefs, etc that make up what they think of as "reality". One person's reality may be somewhat different from another's. For example, a Buddhist has a different social reality than a Christian, because they are each convinced of different theoretical beliefs which dictate their behavior and perspectives to a certain extent.

Well, *I* think, that since people on the autism spectrum do not have the same Borg-like social connections which are effortless for neurotypicals, they more likely to be in a social universe of one. Obviously, ASD people are aware of social rules and beliefs and whatnot, but not in the same effortless way one is "supposed" to be. Therefore, how could one ever feel a "part" of one of these main social universes? So I think it's interesting to have people "in" a population physically, yet to some degree "outside" of it socially.

Your analogy got me really excited because it sounded very much like what I've been working on.

And lol Sharkgirl "awetism" - I like that. It sounds very enlightened.



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17 Aug 2012, 10:53 am

Cfroi wrote:
... But never can I feel the same way as others ...


Just wondering about this sentence because from a strictly logical point of view nobody ever can feel what another being is feeling, it's way too personal, feelings are a highly individual reaction, not a collective event. Furthermore, even one single person can feel differently about a particular situation at different times.

As far as i could figure, feelings are like a constant stream and changing all the time. I simply doubt the concept that people ever feel the same unless they would share a very impressive event like, say, being taken as hostage or a plane crash. In this situation, everybody would feel fear and threat, but if you would check them only one hour before this event, everybody would feel differently, depending on their personality and current life situation.

Bottom line, the approach of wanting to feel like others is probably just an invention of the advertising industry, but never a realistic goal.