What helps you read facial expressions?

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22 Jul 2013, 12:13 am

Hi everyone,
I'm about to apply for my PhD and would like to study autism, particularly the social difficulties that autistic people have with little things NTs find so natural (sarcasm, facial expressions). I hope to develop a therapy or technology to help children and young people with ASD with these difficulties.
What would have helped you or your child when it came to reading facial expressions or understanding humour and sarcasm?



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22 Jul 2013, 12:26 am

I think if it was part of the curriculum at school; teaching that some people are different, and that they have difficulty reading expressions etc. Educating the NT's about the difficulties we face, whilst at the same time helping to identify those with ASD early, to assist them with addressing their deficits.

In my case I learned through observation, as so many other Aspies have, mostly through watching a lot of TV.
I learned to read facial expressions, and learned to maintain eye contact, though neither come natural to me, and in the case of facial expressions, I can read the obvious and lingering ones, but the rapid changes that you see in NT's are still a mystery to me, as my brain is too slow to register these.
I suspect with some training, just like riding a bike, horse, or playing tennis this skill could be developed, but it would have been a lot easier for me to learn this in my youth than now in my 40's.



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22 Jul 2013, 12:26 am

repeated exposure to deliberate actions of actors illustrating via gesture/body language/facial expression and voice, all the important emotions. it should be participatory as well, with AS folks being tasked with emulating the actors after they demonstrated various body language/facial expression scenarios, a 'la "see one, do one, teach one [maybe]."



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22 Jul 2013, 1:50 am

Different brain wiring?


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22 Jul 2013, 3:24 am

i dont, actually...
i use different signals to make up for my reading facial expressions nd eyecontact, for example: i have trained to be more sensitive to voice inflections to determine joking and sarcasm.

often, looking at a face enough to see the smaller expressions gives me the same triggers as eyecontact does, so i prefer not to do that.

also, you might know this already, but there has been a study (clicky) that confirms and explains the difficulty with eyecontact, it's not just a social preference



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22 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

I watched the show "Lie to me," which was about microexpressions inspired by Paul Ekman. This show was interesting to me so I did a lot of research and feel I've become fairly competent at reading people's faces. At least enough to know when they're lying, upset, happy, angry or whatever. I know enough to make a decision on whether or not I want to talk to a person.



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24 Jul 2013, 9:39 am

auntblabby wrote:
repeated exposure to deliberate actions of actors illustrating via gesture/body language/facial expression and voice, all the important emotions.


+1

Basically learning over time that some expressions mean something, but I have to be watching for it or I won't catch it at all.



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24 Jul 2013, 4:02 pm

Using my eyes? My eyes normally shut off during conversations so I wouldn't even know if a person had a sticky note on their face. Certain drugs might help get me out of my head so my eyes can actually pay attention to what's going on.



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29 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm

I think the biggest thing that has helped has been constant exposure and practice in social situations with NTs who genuinely accept me and see my positive traits. This is because the more I see certain patterns in natural social behavior, the more likely I am to learn them and incorporate them into my own social repertoire. For anyone who also wants to learn social skills: I can't stress enough that having natural practice with NTs is crucial. I am now at a point in my life where I am able to fit in with them and understand most social nuances, though this has taken years to develop and I'm still very socially anxious at times. I have come to the realization that I will never be socially perfect, but I do take some pride in being able to get as far as I have.

I am a very pattern and series oriented person, and love gathering knowledge on different things, so I have focused on assigning meaning and patterns to my social interactions. As another poster noted, learning that the cues people give off actually MEAN something was a pivotal turning point for me and made me want to learn more. I have only figured out very recently how I am able to do this.

Whenever I see a facial expression, body language cue, or figurative language cue that does not come instantly to me, I conciously assign meaning to it in my mind. For example: when a person shows a certain kind of look, I tend to think of a word or phrase, or even think of an emotion in my mind that helps me understand the cue, and then subsequently give a reaction that the person would expect. So, say I interpret the cue as "she wants more information" I think in my head "more" and then that is my cue to give more information to them. Sarcasm was learned by learning that when a person is saying something mean but either has good relations with you or has positive body language, they are joking around and trying to bond with you. The key for me was learning the intention behind it: now I even use it a lot (except for when I'm around others with ASD who I know won't understand it).

It was a very complicated process initially, but now I do this process automatically and naturally without even thinking about it. This was not easy for me to learn as initially my social processing speed was very slow. A lot of this has to do with facial cues... and focusing on people's faces over the years has helped a lot, because the face does communicate quite a lot of social cues. I am conditioned to the point where reading unwelcoming cues by others make me instinctively makes me feel horrible and *very* uncomfortable, so I actively strive to do things to avoid these reactions by others. I even have to conciously remind myself not to take it personally when other people with ASD I know unintentionally give off unwelcoming cues.

For the computer program, maybe the person can be conciously primed with cues that are similar to what goes on in my head when I interact with others. The NT person that the person with ASD is interacting with could push a button on a keyboard that translates what emotion or "hidden" meaning they are conveying into either speech or a visual and then the computer gives the person with an expected reaction to the emotion and the person acts this reaction out. The more of these they practice with, the more likely they might learn to grasp emotions and the "expected" reactions to social cues.


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30 Jul 2013, 9:51 pm

I HAVE HELPED MYSELF OVERCOME QUITE A FEW OF MY ISSUES

MY NEXT GOAL WAS WORKING ON FACIAL; EXPRESSIONS AND BODY LANGUAGE

MY PLAN IS TO WORK WITH MIRRORS SINCE WE CANT SEE OUR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS WHEN SAY CERTAIN WORDS OR CERTAIN MOODS

LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR SAY A WORD LIKE SAD AND WATCH YOURSELF MAKE A SAD FACE

LOOK IN THE MIRROR SAY HAPPY AND WATCH YOURSELF MAKE A HAPPY FACE

START USING YOUR HANDS AS EXPESSIONS
WHILE YOU SAY A WORD IN THE MIRROR
WATCHING YOURSELF IS THE ANSWER..100%I

I HAD NO CLUE HOW TO DANCE ..UNTILL I WATCHED MYSELF DANCE IN THE MIRROR ..I CAN SEE WHAT LOOKS DUMB AND WHAT LOOKS GOOD...AND WORK WITH THE COOL PARTS ..NOW I DONT FEEL EMBARRESSED OR SUBCONCIOUS ABOUT LOOKING STUPID DANCING..



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01 Aug 2013, 12:26 am

HollyW wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm about to apply for my PhD and would like to study autism, particularly the social difficulties that autistic people have with little things NTs find so natural (sarcasm, facial expressions). I hope to develop a therapy or technology to help children and young people with ASD with these difficulties.
What would have helped you or your child when it came to reading facial expressions or understanding humour and sarcasm?



If your gonna know therapy for autism and Asperger Syndrome, the best way is to talk and allow them to show you what problems they face and then go into goal improving. make sure your making progress and make sure your making themselves feel good about seeing you. if they report to their parents that they didn't like their experience, then something went wrong. i had that happen with therapists. only one helped me through with some of my problems. then others were like really boring. i stopped going to therapists a long time ago. they didn't benefit me after a while.


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01 Aug 2013, 5:35 pm

Reading facial expressions is quite the challenge still, but movies and T.V. help. I sometimes ask my family and friends what certain facial expressions mean, and my therapist helps me with it if I ask.



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06 Aug 2013, 9:32 pm

I am sarcastic and understand sarcasm very well, though before someone said they didn't see me as being sarcastic just as being cheeky.



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11 Aug 2013, 6:11 pm

Its not all about the looks they give you its about the words they share with you. That's what's important I find when dealing with people.



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11 Aug 2013, 6:12 pm

Its not all about the looks they give you its about the words they share with you. That's what's important I find when dealing with people not via facial topic. Of course, if its all non-stop monogamy I might just as well switch off after a while.



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12 Aug 2013, 10:07 am

Beyond the obvious expressions like happy, sad and angry, I can't imagine what kind of information is in a face or eyes. Based on some of the posts in this thread, however, it seems I could learn. It is also hard to imagine how I would combine that information with the words. I only see my thoughts when I'm talking or concentrating on what someone is saying.


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