I need some advice please...

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I have a situation that has been bothering me recently and I'm not sure what to do about it. I just moved from Dallas, TX to Montrose, CO with a couple of "friends". After living with them for a couple of weeks I am beginning to have major doubts as to their conscience levels. On roommate, we will call him Bob, does not believe in morals! He thinks they are implicitly illogical values that obscure the underlying truth of the given situation! I can to an extent see where he is coming from, however, after being with him constantly I find he seems to exclude morals as a way to rationalize his F'ed up behavior. He sees no reason for guilt or shame or loyalty! He describes these as negative characteristics! While I agree to dwell in such states is not at all healthy to the individual or those who are in the energetic vicinity I do think that it is necessary to properly size up a situation and learn from one's previous errors. He likes to laugh at my down faults like when I take something personally or simply make a mistake while if I were to do the same he would rationalize to no end usually turning it on me. My other roommate, lets say Joe, does this too although he seems to have a partial conscience as he can feel guilt and shame yet seems also to brush it off and repeatedly do the same things that bring him to these negative states! Insanity to say the least. I do not wish to simply label these people as bad and move on, however I also do not wish to be negatively influenced by repeated abuse and manipulation. I am not sure if I should take off or not. It seems I can get along with them If I give into what they think as "acceptable behavior", but I just don't know if I should give up a part of me that seems to know what is right from many years of experience. It is as if I must go back to early childhood in many instances just to fit in with them. Bob is quite intelligent and financially successful which draws me to him, but not enough to give up what I think is best in me. Is what I am saying clear, or is it all jargon? Sorry I'm a little upset now and am fairly scatterbrained. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also If you need more info on something specific just let me know.
Peace
Brandon

PS is not laughing at someones shortcomings a value judgement in itself? They are constantly doing this towards me. It just seems contradictory and a way of inflating their "superior" notions on ways of being. Once again I do not wish to change them it's just that they (mostly Bob) want to change me. CONTROL FREAK is an understatement.

They don't sound like very nice people. I think you're right in that you shouldn't let them change you. You should never go against what you feel is right just to please other people.

thanks for the reply chairbreak. I was starting to think I was too far off in my statement after 20+ views and no replies. It's hard with Bob as he thinks he is helping me by putting me down? Quite confusing. He claims to be spiritually inclined, yet I think he only choose to take in what benefit his needs. He sometimes talks in absolutes saying " It is impossible for me to ____?" Clouded judgment if ya ask me. I think I'm just gonna try staying away from them and always keep in mind that they are just a little lost like most everyone else.
peace

PS damned Radiohead really hits the spot when I'm feeling down. How to dissapear completely, yes please

Sounds like a glorification of psychopathology.They have perverted the concept of,Buddhist "detachment" to justify their own selfishness.Society does not function at it's optimal level with sort of human interaction.I disagree with a lot of weatern culture values and they should be questioned.However,there are some values that are needed for no other reason(nonreligous)then that they help the social machine function more efficiently.When these values are disreguarded,the machine no longer functions.
We are not seperate inteties...we are a machine of parts that must work together in many aspects.

These people,who justify their actions based on sudo-intellectual rationilization,are the first ones to start whinning when other people treat them the same way they justify treating others.To stick around people like this is a set up for being abused.Dont fall for their head games,get out while you still have your sanity.

People who have "narcasistic personality disorder" are very attracted to "aspies",they sometimes share similiar superficial behavior but have completely different motivations for said behavior.....if you let them,they will use you and make you thank them for the priviledge......been there,done that...get out.

Thanks for the reply krex. Yes I am nearly positive that Bob is a psychopath. I think Joe is more sociopathic. I already talked to my parents about leaving and they said that I should probably wait it out, but if needed I could leave. It's just that I started a company here from buying Bob's merchandise ( some of which I doubt the legality of now!) with only a downpayment and have the feeling that if I try to bounce, Bob is going to throw a fit and want all of it back..Maybe it's best though to cut my losses and as you said ,"get out while I still have my sanity". I'm going to think on this for a while and will probably end up leaving. Also, Bob has a history of criminal activity and I now don't put it past him to flip one day and really try and wreak havoc on me.

I totally agree with the notion that integrating western and eastern cultural philosophies is the most beneficial approach to advancing one's being. I am trying, but it's just hard when you teacher is a wacko. No more. My teacher is the inner guide that brings joy

Thanks again you two. I wish you a merry weekend.
peace

You should remove those two people from your life, i.e. leave that town, and don't respond if they seek contact with you again.

Read Nietzsche, if you haven't already. I have trouble with long posts, but from what I could glean, I think that from an intellectual standpoint, your "friends" sound similar to me. But, if you aren't powerful enough to hold your own with them, and you don't want to submit constantly, you will have to escape - even under their moral code.

I'm out in the morning. Thanks again for all the replies. It's a good thing I have such understandable parents and friends here. I'm going to lose quite a bit of money through this, but I think it is well worth it considering the year-long emotional bs i would endure staying here. I will miss the mountains and the clean air. Maybe someday

btw calandale it's not a question of power or influence. It's a problem with control to the point of obscurantism on the level of Charles Manson! Well maybe that was an overstatement but the point is that he will not listen to anyone that does not fit into his already established notions of being. So for me to communicate effectively I would have to agree on all of his "understandings" which makes questioning them a paradox event. I like to think of it as Guru Syndrome.