Pity friendships: a different perspective

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20 Dec 2021, 10:59 am

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Just because other people are as*holes....doesn't mean you have to be an as*hole as well.....


By as*hole do you mean not responding to facebook messages? So do you think I should respond to every facebook message I receive?



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20 Dec 2021, 11:40 am

I mean....that when you notice somebody being an as*hole, you don't have to emulate that as*hole. You don't have to ask yourself, "if so and so can get away with being an as*hole, why can't I get away with it?"

Just because somebody gets away with being an asshole----doesn't make it right. That somebody will pay for it some day.



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20 Dec 2021, 12:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I mean....that when you notice somebody being an as*hole, you don't have to emulate that as*hole. You don't have to ask yourself, "if so and so can get away with being an as*hole, why can't I get away with it?"

Just because somebody gets away with being an asshole----doesn't make it right. That somebody will pay for it some day.


You said the same thing, just used more words.

Again, what specific things that I did that would amount to being an as*hole? Is it not responding to messages? If so, are you implying I should respond to every message then?



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20 Dec 2021, 2:53 pm

I didn't say you were an as*hole.

I just said you don't have to be an as*hole just because someone else is an as*hole.

Sometimes, it seems like you justify some of your actions because "other people do it, so why can't I do it?"



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20 Dec 2021, 2:55 pm

You make things overly complicated for yourself, and for others.

Why not just take it easy on yourself and others?

Sometimes, true friendships happen to start as "pity" friendships. I've had a few "pity" friendships turn out to be true friendships.



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20 Dec 2021, 4:58 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I've had a few "pity" friendships turn out to be true friendships.


Can you tell me more as to how you got into "pity friendships" on the first place? Unlike me, you don't sound like the person that would complain or look for pity. Did they pity you all on their own without your complaining (kind of like my mom does)? Or were you different back then and actually were more prone to complaining than you are now?



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20 Dec 2021, 5:00 pm

I was never a complainer.

They pitied me because it was obvious that I was "disabled" in some way.



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20 Dec 2021, 5:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was never a complainer.

They pitied me because it was obvious that I was "disabled" in some way.


So what was it about you that made you come across as disabled?



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20 Dec 2021, 6:00 pm

The way I walked, talked, dressed, responded to insults. It was obvious that I was the kid whom everybody else made fun of.



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20 Dec 2021, 6:13 pm

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The way I walked, talked, dressed, responded to insults. It was obvious that I was the kid whom everybody else made fun of.


And here you're loved, by better people.



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20 Dec 2021, 6:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The way I walked, talked, dressed, responded to insults. It was obvious that I was the kid whom everybody else made fun of.


Do you use the word "kid" in colloequal sense or in literal sense? Were you actually a kid or what age were you?



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20 Dec 2021, 7:02 pm

I was a child and adolescent when I experienced most of my bullying. When I got older, I decided to just slough the bullying off to the side, and not allow people to bully me. I was still seen as being sort of odd----but I was the best at my particular job for a long time, so people left me alone, for the most part.

Thanks, Llama----a most nice thing to say! :)



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20 Dec 2021, 7:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was a child and adolescent when I experienced most of my bullying. When I got older, I decided to just slough the bullying off to the side, and not allow people to bully me. I was still seen as being sort of odd----but I was the best at my particular job for a long time, so people left me alone, for the most part.


From my point of view, kids get bullied, adults get ostracized. Or are you talking about more subtle type of bullying? Can you give some examples?



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20 Dec 2021, 7:12 pm

I still get bullied by my brother sometimes----sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly.

He still uses yelling and screaming to try to get his point across.

I am seen as being "not quite" supervisory material, even though I've been at my job 41 straight years. I haven't been promoted, even though I know my work frontwards and backwards. This shows that I'm not held in high regard. I am "ostracized," in a sense.



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20 Dec 2021, 7:31 pm

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I still get bullied by my brother sometimes----sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly.

He still uses yelling and screaming to try to get his point across.

I am seen as being "not quite" supervisory material, even though I've been at my job 41 straight years. I haven't been promoted, even though I know my work frontwards and backwards. This shows that I'm not held in high regard. I am "ostracized," in a sense.


Same happened to me at my old workplace. I was outperforming everyone on my team in the end, but you just get shat upon as an Autistic.



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21 Dec 2021, 11:08 am

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I don't get it... you complain about people in examples 1 and 2 not doing anything for you, yet the girl in example 3 doing lots of things for you isn't good, either. What do you want to happen after you complain to someone about being lonely? What do you want them to do?


Read your own reply. You said yourself it is possible she does it because she thinks I would hurt someone if she doesn't. So why would I want to be viewed that way?

I want someone to do the things she does but for reasons *other than* the ones she has.


Yes, but that's possible with every person you meet and complain to. Likewise, every person being friendly or talking to you has a chance of them doing it only out of pity because you looked lonely or something. So, where do you draw the line on if they're genuinely interested in you or pitying you?


The issue here is "not" the fact that I complained, but the fact that I was throwing temper tantrums described in the OP (please re-read the OP to remind yourself). In fact in your own reply that is what you were referring to. You probably forgot about it between then and now since few weeks passed. So please re-read my OP and that would remind you why you wrote what you wrote.


I did re-read it before I wrote my reply, as well as all the other posts on the thread. I did start my post with "I don't get it", didn't I? In other words, it's not a problem with my memory, it's a problem with me not understanding. But I think this post made me see what I didn't see before: I put "complaining" and "temper tantrum" in the same box in a sense, but you meant them as completely different things, right?

As in, if you complain to someone about being friendless and they start talking to you more after that and inviting you to places, then it's good and a friendship, but if someone starts doing those things after you throw a temper tantrum, then it's bad and a pity friendship? Did I understand it right?

Still, even if I did, I don't get the difference. If you complain to someone about being lonely (or something similiar) and they start inviting you to places etc. after that, how would that be less of a pity friendship than someone doing so after you threw a temper tantrum?