You basically have to drink alcohol to be a normal adult

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There do exist some alcohol-free bars/pubs in the U.K. See the following:

- The rise of the sober bar
- 6 Best Alcohol Free Bars in The UK (Your #1 Guide)
- Where to drink when you're not drinking

Hopefully you can find such a place near you?

It would be nice if you could cut out the Greek-letter stereotyping (see The Pseudoscience Behind The ‘Sigma Male,’ Explained - Forbes, Jan 26, 2021), but I certainly agree with the strategy of seeking out fellow oddballs.

I used to hang out in the park with my friends and drink.....we started off sober...and I just remember having a much better time after everyone had had a few.

Then we went to clubs and it was the same situation.
It didn't matter what background my friends were from, they all liked drinking and so did I.

Seeking out other oddballs is definitely the strategy that worked best for me. Also, structuring my life around ND-friendly social relationships and work as much as I can.

IMHO they're a part of pop-culture and how people understand certain 'clusters' in the collective imagination, which is why I'm willing to use them. It's a sad enough world to where if you don't throw a pointer on something people deny it's existence thus they still reify a concept down to shorthand that people can make sense of. This is similar as well IMHO to how Freud has been thoroughly 'debunked' and is no longer science yet the id, ego, and superego are indeed valuable zones of processing in one's psyche that have their own imperatives and conflicts even if these functions can be a bit more fluid and aren't absolute.

True, I forgot that concepts and behavior patterns never ever fragment or corrupt.

This is also sort of like how we couldn't possibly be living under a protestant work ethic in the west because we're chasing heathen consumerist aims.

I think you are confusing "average" with "normal". There are plenty of "Normal" people who choose not to drink for a variety of reasons. You can go out to pubs or bars or clubs and not drink alcohol. I do it all the time. No one has ever once bothered me - I don't call attention to it, and I'll order whatever I like in the way of food or a beverage.

I get tired of hanging around drunks though, so I usually don't stay late, but that's me.

In my late teens and beyond I was doing the NT things mainly because I wanted to be part of the crowd. My friends at the time turned me on to pot and I admit to having enjoyed it immensely at the time (back in the 1970s). My experiences were pretty much psychedelic and music was just amazing. At the same time I started drinking to excess at parties. Now I don't drink at all - during my 40s it turned against me and instead of being a useful social lubricant made me blob out into the couch and wish I was in bed. All the while not developing any romantic relationships because I just couldn't. I haven't done pot for a long time - I prefer being straight. I could write volumes about my experiences.

I like alcohol but it doesn't really like me.

What are these alpha and sigma people anyway?

God, yeah! Uni was s**t for me at the start because everything you needed to do to make friends seemed to involve drinking!

But now I've made friends with a gay boy who even though he likes his wine he doesn't need to drink to 'prove' he's a man because he doesn't give a sh*t, and a girl who studies with me and eats ice cream with me at night instead! They're great.

It makes me laugh because sigma is like, way back close to the end of the Greek alphabet. So shouldn't a 'sigma' person be near the bottom of the pile?

If you want to declare yourself even more at the top of the pack, why not declare yourself a '[null] male' since the [null] character is alphabetically the first ASCII character so it comes before the alpha character (and every other letter)?

Also this is silly, but I always mishear it as 'ligma male' lol.

The Sigma male stuff is a joke. The people who make the videos are walking a line where they have to entertain the people who know...by making it exaggerated and silly...but also keep the people who dont know in that believing state. When you know whats going on its hilarious.

So let me get this straight: those who chose to be a 'teetotaler', or be alcohol-free, for personal reasons as an adult are 'immature', while those who end up doing crazy things and not thinking clearly due to being high/drunk is not 'immature'?

Right, and I'm not autistic.

I wouldn't call it mature vs. immature, it's the 'bucket of crabs' being particularly big, it's also a lot like 'sports' where if everyone else is into it and you're not then 'something's wrong'.

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However do you mean?