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King_Mob
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30 Aug 2007, 8:21 pm

I am so sick and tired of having to "dumb things down" just to get by with other people, day to day.



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30 Aug 2007, 9:38 pm

Hear, hear.



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30 Aug 2007, 10:51 pm

going through the motions does indeed suck! thankfully i dont have to do it anymore



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31 Aug 2007, 1:55 am

yeah, the tedium of it is unbearable.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:01 am

King_Mob wrote:
I am so sick and tired of having to "dumb things down" just to get by with other people, day to day.


I feel for you man.

Talking most (not all, but most) teenaged NTs is like talking to a mentally challenged 3 year old.



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01 Sep 2007, 3:32 am

heh, indeed, its best not to stick out tho, ive done it for many years halfway-decently but am still considered a 'smart individual' so thats good 2. perhapse maby we should not dumb things down>?


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01 Sep 2007, 7:13 am

Iused to try to steer clear of people with Doctorates who wern't medical doctors . They were so far gone in processing information through thier journals and studies they could no longer make themselves understood in most social situations.
I know I can connect that to this topic somehow . . .



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01 Sep 2007, 7:24 am

Some NTs are easier to relate to and eventually get used to how you do things.



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01 Sep 2007, 8:08 am

0_equals_true wrote:
Some NTs are easier to relate to and eventually get used to how you do things.


How many of those will you find who do not have the attitude that they are our superiors?



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01 Sep 2007, 9:36 am

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How many of those will you find who do not have the attitude that they are our superiors?


I've taken college-level communication classes, and basically they cannot be NT without some sort of attitude of superiority.

Quite literally, everyone wants to be superior to everyone else. Those who fully indulge in this desire are seen as being aloof. Those who mostly ignore it are the doormats who never say anything interesting or do anything productive out of fear of what their actions may cause when inaction can be equally (if not moreso) damaging. Those who take a middle ground (look down upon others not within their various in-groups) are the normal people.

But those who approach the higher end without going overboard (were it becomes overboard is debatable) are those who are truly successful. The air of superiority that they have translates into other people wanting their approval, and working hard to get it.

Essentially, that’s why I’ve had a difficult time making friends in the past. I played into the “inferior” role of their superiority game, and I was depressed. Both of those makes it easy for them to be put in the “superior” position, and when you are struggling for mere acceptance, you won’t ever become friends with a person.

Instead, you need to acknowledge that everyone else sees things in terms of hierarchies and try to use it to your advantage. If they have no reason to believe that you are nearing their level of superiority, then you won’t ever be worthy of spending time with. What you need to do is prove to them that you have something to contribute, that they have something to gain by being around you and may improve themselves by it.

That’s why rivalries and two-sided conflict tend to create the strongest of bonds: mutual admiration.
If neither party is interested in the others viewpoints because of completely devaluing it (as what happens to depressed people) or feel that theirs is completely devaluated (like in politics), there probably won’t ever be anything beyond contempt and/or superficial acceptance.

It’s true in the business world, friendships, relationships, and everywhere else. It’s the way the world works, and unless you can convince people that you’re almost at their level, you won’t gain acceptance.

So be aggressive. Keep talking when other people want to speak but you haven’t made your point. Don’t stay quiet in meetings or classrooms when you have something to contribute, even if you may be wrong. Pretend that you feel better about yourself than you really do.

It’s called confidence, and it’s a lie. The successful people are just the ones who know how to lie well.



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01 Sep 2007, 10:22 am

That is one of the most valuable things I've ever read on this site.

I'm not status-conscious at all, and so have adopted an attitude of "if it's so important to you to be first, go ahead". What a mistake...

Gsilver, I've copied and saved your post. Thank you for waking me up.



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01 Sep 2007, 11:50 am

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It’s called confidence, and it’s a lie. The successful people are just the ones who know how to lie well.


So true. Good post gsilver.


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01 Sep 2007, 1:02 pm

Protip: if any of you were as intelligent as you believe you would figure out ways to interact with people normally.



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01 Sep 2007, 1:06 pm

now THERE'S a helpful tip.

Since we're not really aspies, but just hopeless morons, let's all just give up trying.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:04 pm

Being NT still seems to me like being defective. The behaviors that mark being NT are often sadistic and destructive. At best they are domineering and a lot of NTs simply can't let others live their own lives.



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07 Sep 2007, 5:53 am

INTERNET wrote:
Protip: if any of you were as intelligent as you believe you would figure out ways to interact with people normally.


Aww the squirrel ran away. Don't worry he'll be back so you can watch him again ;)