Ever consider voting 3rd party?

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Neither democrats or republicans are different. They are both the same.

In some respects yes.

One also has to remember that, no matter what alignment the politician, or how good-intentioned they are, you can't please everyone.

I'm voting 3rd party, probably reform party because it's the only centralist party out there with a decent shot of winning, well decent for a 3rd party anyhow. But reguardless (and I shudder to think this), I still think Hillary Clinton will win.

left wing and right wing parties foster highly extremist ideologies, political correctness fanaticism running rampant on the left and Christian fanaticism running rampant on the right wing.

I agree, the 2 major parties are all about corporate greed, neither of them give a damn about the people they **supposedly** represent. The only differences between liberals and conservatives is how they decorate their platforms. Conservatives are biased against minorities, liberals are biased against majorities.... Conservative ideologies are too aggressive, liberal ideologies are not aggressive enough.

I mean c'mon, I can have an "intellectual" conversation with any random person from society (including this forum), and within one or two questions I'll pretty much know all that person's opinions. Does that say something? it tells me that the wings have everyone brainwashed. I mean people really have become that predictable. Embrace other options, free your minds.

They have some differences, but these can be overshadowed by their general tendencies for political corruption and their ability to commit egregious amounts of group think or simply follow votes and money on issues. The fact that the 2 groups aren't incredibly different is actually somewhat of a good thing as we should not have massive policy swings every 4 years, so instead we have one party that is left of the US center and one that is right of the US center.


I think you tend to oversimplify people a bit too much by saying that. A lot of people are close to that simple on politics, but everyone? I doubt that. Heck, I don't think you fully understand my political opinions given that you have called me a totalitarian or fascist or something like that at one point if I remember correctly. I think that part of what this says is that the current political idea packages naturally fall together within a consistent framework, as what you almost seem to call for is eclecticism for its own sake.

No, I'm not "just trying to be different", I just think there is already too much greed and selfishness in our system, and your entire lifestyle and beliefs are based around selfishness and greed, you have openly admitted this many times. This type of mentality is the reason why we're in the s**t hole we're in now. People who think like you are the ones who when they get into power they become tyrants.

I won't waste my time arguing your circular arguments of illogical "logic" AG, I've been down that road and it leads nowhere. If you wanna see where blatant ignorance will lead you, look around.

I think that both statements are true on some level. My lifestyle and beliefs? Actually, my framework in which I view human action often tends to be egoistic and economistic and I will admit to that, but I rarely actually insert myself into my politics. My mentality is not the reason we are where we are in my opinion, if people were more rationalistic and egoistic then we probably would be doing better materially. Actually, I also tend to doubt that as tyrants are usually dominated by a desire for status which is why they have cults of personality and they also tend to think that they know better than those that they govern on what to do. The mentality I have typically expressed tends to lack the domineering drive for status in exchange for one of gain, and my general argument on the lives of others has not been paternalistic so much as anti-paternalistic. If I had power, then I would more likely be an uninterested ruler, or a selfishly benevolent ruler, and this is based upon the system that I have expressed to you in the past. Part of your problem is that you think my ways of thinking will lead to evil, whereas I think that my ways of thinking will lead to greater riches and this is part of the interpretation problem.

Poor you Americans ...you only have to choose between 2 parties ?

Just look at the long list of popular parties in Lebanon and you'll get nuts like me but in fact they are divided into 2 main alliances:


March 14 Alliance

The March 14 Alliance (Arabic: حلف 14 آذار), named after the date of the Cedar Revolution, is a coalition of anti-Syrian political parties and independents in Lebanon, led by Saad Hariri, younger son of Rafik Hariri, the assassinated former prime minister of Lebanon, Samir Geagea president of the Lebanese Forces, and Walid Jumblatt. At the last legislative elections, May and June 2005, the alliance became the dominant group in parliament. The bloc is formed by:

* Future Movement (Tayyar Al Mustaqbal), 36
* Progressive Socialist Party (Hizb al-Taqadummi al-Ishtiraki), 16
* Lebanese Forces, 6 (Hizb al-Quwat al-Loubnaniya)
* Qornet Shehwan Gathering:
o Phalangist or Kataeb Party (Hizb al-Kataeb)
o National Liberal Party (Hizb al-Watanyoun al-Ahrar)
o independents
* Tripoli Bloc
* Democratic Renewal,
* Democratic Left
* Independents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_14_Alliance





March 8 Alliance

The March 8 Alliance is a coalition of various political parties in Lebanon. The alliance forms the opposition against the government of the March 14 Alliance. The alliance is considered to be pro-Syrian. Both the current president of Lebanon and the president of the Lebanese parliament are associated with the alliance.

The name dates back to March 8th, 2005 when different parties called for a mass protest in downtown Beirut in response to the Cedar Revolution. The protests thanked Syria for helping stop the Lebanese Civil War and the aid in stabilizing Lebanon and supporting the Lebanese resistance to the Israeli occupation. Main parties were Hezbollah, Amal Movement, Marada Movement and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party.

On 6 February 2006, the Free Patriotic Movement (betrayers) which was a part of the March 14 Alliance signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Hezbollah and thus was considered by the March 14 Alliance as part of the March 8 Alliance, something that the Free Patriotic Movement refuses and insists that they are an independant political movement that insitigated the original 14 March movement in 1989 and currently disagrees of the practices of the March 14 Alliance (Ha! nice joke).

The current alliance holds 56/128 seats in the parliament and consists of:

* Amal Movement
* Hezbollah
* Free Patriotic Movement
* Syrian Social Nationalist Party
* Lebanese Communist Party
* Lebenese Democratic Party
* Tawhid Party
* Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party
* Islamic Group (Lebanon)
* Nasserite Unification movement
* Popular Nasserite Organization
* Solidarity Party (Lebanon)
* Dashnak Party


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_8_Alliance

So in other words you effectively call your parties alliances, and they act in prettymuch the same way?

..I'm not seeing any real difference here.

^^ not really , there's big difference the 2 alliances were newly formed after the end of the syrian occupation but they weren't always like this before .