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25 Jul 2007, 1:50 am

http://video.google.ca/url?docid=-67081 ... 8k53rqiKiQ

I say this belongs in the political discussion board. Mega creepy really and if anybody can see any flaws in the logic let us hear it.



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25 Jul 2007, 2:28 am

Gahhh

We've seen this before. Jimservo dealt with this stuff pretty well - lemme get his old post on this.


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25 Jul 2007, 6:14 am

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

I had to stop half way through, my brain started to melt. There is no doubt it is a very well made propaganda video. But that's exactly what it is.

The focus all the attention away from themselves. Most people would never stop to question where they go their information from.



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25 Jul 2007, 9:11 am

Thanks for posting this Chakapew. I never saw it before. It doesn't seem that far-fetched to me. I wouldn't put anything past the powers that be. Money is said to be the root of all evil. I found the closing quote to be very interesting:

"911 is a keyhole into Conciousness.
If you can gt through it to the other side,
everything looks different.
Do not be afraid.
This is the First Awakening.
Follow your curiosity,
like Alice in the rabbit hole,
you are becoming free."

My curiosity has seriously been piqued.



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28 Nov 2007, 5:25 am

Ive just finished this.

The first 10 mins is spent on a cinematographic overture, which would put off a lot of casual viewers.
The first section (once it gets going) was very well done. I knew the 'Jesus' archetype was a reoccurring
historic theme, but i could only point to 3 or 4 examples - i had no idea of the sheer number, and
the geographic spread. The astrology was fascinating.

I have 9-11 fatigue so slept on much of part 2.

Part 3 was worth waiting for. Ive seen many vids about the federal reserve,
but Aaron Russo's testimony was completely new to me, very scary stuff.
I was expecting James Traficant to pop up somewhere, but i suppose his congressional
speech was considered superfluous in the wider historical context.



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28 Nov 2007, 5:39 am

0_equals_true wrote:
The focus all the attention away from themselves.
Most people would never stop to question where they go their information from.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm



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28 Nov 2007, 5:51 am

Quote:
"911 is a keyhole into Conciousness.
If you can gt through it to the other side,
everything looks different.
Do not be afraid.
This is the First Awakening.
Follow your curiosity,
like Alice in the rabbit hole,
you are becoming free."


This kind of stuff, I believe, detracts significantly from the credibility of the truther movement. What it is in effect is saying, is "think exactly what we think and you'll be automatically smart! Don't think what we think and be automatically a sheep!".



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28 Nov 2007, 6:27 am

If you don't know anything about science, even the Flat Earth Theory starts to sound convincing if you just use common sense. Also, even the advocates of that theory call people who don't believe their crap 'the herd', so don't worry about it.



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28 Nov 2007, 6:50 am

Mc_Jeff wrote:
Quote:
"911 is a keyhole into Conciousness.
If you can gt through it to the other side,
everything looks different.
Do not be afraid.
This is the First Awakening.
Follow your curiosity,
like Alice in the rabbit hole,
you are becoming free."


This kind of stuff, I believe, detracts significantly from the credibility of the truther movement. What it is in effect is saying, is "think exactly what we think and you'll be automatically smart! Don't think what we think and be automatically a sheep!".


Emotion and self-image are pretty powerful tools to wield, and especially on anyone with low self esteem. Then again, sadly, its usually the people who don't have much proof or much of a point that tend to wield it the hardest (then again understandable since if you have the truth - no need to manipulate).



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28 Nov 2007, 7:47 am

I didn't watch the video, because I've seen a zillion of these things and I'm afraid of losing brain cells.

I'm a full-on anarchist and I don't believe this kind of thing for a second.

Why go through the trouble of flying planes into buildings if you are just going to blow them up anyways? Why not just blow the effers up and be done with it?

Maybe the government is just woefully inept, as they always are? They couldn't pour piss from a boot if the directions were on the heel, simple as that.

Yes, there are conspiracies in government, like the CIA and DOD hating the crap out of each other and backstabbing, but that's so they can get fatter pensions and cooler overseas assignments, not so the JOOOOOOOOOOS can steal your organs and donate them to ngneo;nv lk h' k 90 785 dfkl


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28 Nov 2007, 8:13 am

Matti Tabbi covered my opinions on this and all the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense in his excellent article in Rolling Stone called "I, Left Gatekeeper".

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1001-24.htm

I especially love his imaginary meeting between Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld:

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BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled
planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll
just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem
getting the public to buy the invasion.

CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.

RUMSFELD: We won't?

CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq.
Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers
at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just
blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks,
plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more
people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just
blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized
additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of f*****g nowhere in
rural Pennsylvania.

RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of
f*****g nowhere.

CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise
missile.

BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the
Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too
obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.

BUSH: Oh, OK.

RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional
victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more
legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy
without them.

BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn
good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state
unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at
how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments,
Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger,
Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know
that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if
we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? s**t, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they
needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!


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29 Nov 2007, 2:19 pm

I just watched all of this... Scary. I think i know why Rosie O'Donnell is a mess with the public eye, and why Bill O'Reily is a saint on Fox news. It's disgusting!!