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Do You think President Bush is a nutter?
Yes 26%  26%  [ 20 ]
Yes 26%  26%  [ 20 ]
No, but he is not good for the world. 12%  12%  [ 9 ]
No, but he is not good for the world. 12%  12%  [ 9 ]
No, he is a good guy. 9%  9%  [ 7 ]
No, he is a good guy. 9%  9%  [ 7 ]
Don't Know 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Don't Know 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 76

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16 Oct 2005, 6:07 pm

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Don't know if John Pilger is known in the US, but he is a respected (if feared) investigative journalist in the UK. Her is one of his commentaries on the media.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e10615.htm
Robert Fisk of the Independant also contibutes.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_b ... 319160.ece


"Respected" by some maybe, but Pilger and Fisk are viewed by many others not so much as journalists but as shameless and predictable anti-American and anti-Israel propagandists and apologists for Islamic terrorism.

If people want to find out about the Middle East and the war on terror, they'd be better off reading Melanie Phillips and Mark Steyn. :)


You think I was anti-semitic or anti-Israel?


No, I didn't say that. I don't think you were being anti-semitic or anti-Israel just by posting a link.

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Do you question the independance of the journalist I mentioned or their lack of contribution to the Daily Mail and Right-Wing News?


Pilger and Fisk might actually believe in what they're doing, or they might have figured that they've both made careers out of it so there's no point stopping. Either way, I think - going on other works of theirs - that they're generally both full of crap.



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17 Oct 2005, 11:44 am

No problem. Much the same conclusion as I reached regarding the sites associated with your links.
I'd like it if the inquisitorial days when looking at both sides of a matter were behind us. It seems though that "if you aren't for us, you're against us" is what most people are happiest with.



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18 Oct 2005, 7:38 am

jb814 wrote:
No problem. Much the same conclusion as I reached regarding the sites associated with your links.
I'd like it if the inquisitorial days when looking at both sides of a matter were behind us. It seems though that "if you aren't for us, you're against us" is what most people are happiest with.
Oh for Pete's sake, you hooked me into responding once more.

Look, sometimes there are circumstances in which it is unconscionable to stand around insisting that both sides get fair consideration. There are times when not taking a side is not only cowardly but also morally indefensible.

Slavery and the Holocaust would be two examples that most people would agree upon today. Paradoxically, that was hardly the case at the time, or neither situation would have stood for a moment. Many people attempted to look at them as issues with two debatable sides.

Many people see terrorism, like the attacks in New York, London, Madrid, etc. as equally morally indefensible. When that is the case, history tells us that the only viable resolution is to eliminate those who practice atrocity and those who harbor them.

"Many people" can, of course, be wrong. You, then, have to decide whether or not you agree that what has happened in those cities and in so many places around the world can be allowed to continue or not. If you choose based on fear that involvement will bring the same on your own head, then, I'm afraid, your motivation is unacceptable.



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18 Oct 2005, 9:58 am

I think terrorism is morally indefensible. I want the best result possible for the Israelis and the Palestinians. I think many problems in the Middle/Far East arise from Western intervention. Don't like slavery and feel disgusted by suggestions that the Holocaust should not be remembered. Considering opening a thread on false dichotomy.



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18 Oct 2005, 12:40 pm

jb814 wrote:
I think terrorism is morally indefensible. I want the best result possible for the Israelis and the Palestinians. I think many problems in the Middle/Far East arise from Western intervention. Don't like slavery and feel disgusted by suggestions that the Holocaust should not be remembered. Considering opening a thread on false dichotomy.
I don't disagree with anything I understand here. What do you mean by "false dichotomy"?



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19 Oct 2005, 12:48 am

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19 Oct 2005, 1:00 am

Instead of blanket bombing the midwest, excluding the blue states of course,
vote Democrat in 2006 and unelect George W.

Bush's approval rating is now at 39% most of them either fundamentalist Christians or Republican Loyalists. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/17/poll.bush/index.html