12 Dec 2007, 6:01 am
12 Dec 2007, 7:25 am
lau wrote:
"Capital punishment", as in the legally delegated murder of a person.I will never impose the obligation on another to perform such an act.
If you were to meet myself and my niece, say, walking down the street, and you attacked her, I would kill you.Actually, I'd try rather hard to prevent it going that far, but if that was necessary, I would do it. I take full responsibility for all my actions.
The permanent incarceration of some offenders is as far as I can go. However, should they volunteer to undergo medical treatments that might result in their deaths I think I could live with that.(Provided they could be shown to be of sufficiently sound mind to understand what is being done.)
If you were to meet myself and my niece, say, walking down the street, and you attacked her, I would kill you.Actually, I'd try rather hard to prevent it going that far, but if that was necessary, I would do it. I take full responsibility for all my actions.
The permanent incarceration of some offenders is as far as I can go. However, should they volunteer to undergo medical treatments that might result in their deaths I think I could live with that.(Provided they could be shown to be of sufficiently sound mind to understand what is being done.)
I think that this is the very best reaction to the issue that i've read in ages. It IS the issue of asking someone to kill someone else which is the most horrible. Unacceptable. ( equally horrific is the idea of delegating someone to perform experiments on another.)
And even questions of possible miscarriages of justice, and exactly who could be said to understand questions of right and wrong etc are in the end beside the point, which is just aswell considering how problematic those two issues are!!
So me too i vote "no capital punishment under any circumstances".
Last edited by ouinon on 12 Dec 2007, 8:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
12 Dec 2007, 7:36 am
Hmm. You have a point there, ouinon. One of the problems with the death penalty is that the result of a Type 1 error (a false positive) is very much a disastrous one.
BTW, I've only just got the meaning of your name. 'Oui' and 'non'. Yes and no. I originally thought it was a weird misspelling of onion... 
12 Dec 2007, 7:59 am
Quatermass wrote:
Hmm. You have a point there, ouinon.
BTW, I've only just got the meaning of your name. 'Oui' and 'non'. Yes and no. I originally thought it was a weird misspelling of onion...
BTW, I've only just got the meaning of your name. 'Oui' and 'non'. Yes and no. I originally thought it was a weird misspelling of onion...
Yes, quite a lot of people do. I like it as expresses my tendency to react to things with wholehearted agreement or disagreement, only slowly followed by smaller and smaller yes/no zigzags towards a greyer, more subtle picture! I have also used the german version on another forum, janein, which people thought was a weird mispelling of janine!!
12 Dec 2007, 8:09 am
ouinon wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Hmm. You have a point there, ouinon.
BTW, I've only just got the meaning of your name. 'Oui' and 'non'. Yes and no. I originally thought it was a weird misspelling of onion...
BTW, I've only just got the meaning of your name. 'Oui' and 'non'. Yes and no. I originally thought it was a weird misspelling of onion...
Yes, quite a lot of people do. I like it as expresses my tendency to react to things with wholehearted agreement or disagreement, only slowly followed by smaller and smaller yes/no zigzags towards a greyer, more subtle picture! I have also used the german version on another forum, janein, which people thought was a weird mispelling of janine!!
And "ouija" I think is already taken, though I don't think "nonnein" is...
12 Dec 2007, 8:14 am
I'd not thought "ouija", but anyway it's only one side of the story/half the picture ! ! !
To return to topic i thought that your thread was beautifully prepared. And that it's almost a shame that all the deep and lengthy arguments are disposed of instantly with the perfect reason not to ever agree with capital punishment. Can it really be so simple?
Weird. That just the right angle can make huge complex discussion irrelevant.
(i like it when that happens! It's so cut and dried ! )
12 Dec 2007, 6:42 pm
ouinon wrote:
:lol: I'd not thought "ouija", but anyway it's only one side of the story/half the picture ! ! !
To return to topic i thought that your thread was beautifully prepared. And that it's almost a shame that all the deep and lengthy arguments are disposed of instantly with the perfect reason not to ever agree with capital punishment. Can it really be so simple?
Weird. That just the right angle can make huge complex discussion irrelevant.
(i like it when that happens! It's so cut and dried ! )
! To return to topic
i thought that your thread was beautifully prepared. And that it's almost a shame that all the deep and lengthy arguments are disposed of instantly with the perfect reason not to ever agree with capital punishment. Can it really be so simple?Weird. That just the right angle can make huge complex discussion irrelevant.
(i like it when that happens! It's so cut and dried ! )
Oh, not so completely irrelevant. The solution is simple. In cases like this, there has to be conclusive evidence. And of course an appeals process. I'm not a monster, at least of that sort. But I am not really in the mood for actual debate. I just wanted a vote and reasons why the worst criminals should or should not be considered outside Helsinki.
13 Dec 2007, 10:11 pm
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