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25 Oct 2005, 2:51 pm

I'd like it if it were easier for autistics to get onto SSI. It's hard for anyone to do so generally. But even now, Schizophrenics make it onto SSI easier than autties-- or Aspies for that matter. :?


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25 Oct 2005, 3:15 pm

SSI and employer rights mainly, also its hard to word this but the right to be differnt and not have NTs tell us its wrong (freedom from shrinks I guess.


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25 Oct 2005, 3:35 pm

Sophist wrote:
I'd like it if it were easier for autistics to get onto SSI. It's hard for anyone to do so generally. But even now, Schizophrenics make it onto SSI easier than autties-- or Aspies for that matter. :?

I'd rather it be made easier for autistic people to find dignified employment. A high-functioning autistic person or a person with Asperger's syndrome who has the degree, experience, and knowledge needed for the job should be considered for the job despite his or her limitations in social interaction and other areas. Discrimination against people on the autistic spectrum should be prohibited when the job duties can still be performed in full with reasonable accomodations.

We should not be limited to flipping burgers or collecting disability when we are more than capable of doing quite skilled work quite well. Because we often lack social connections and have less ability to make them in the first place, services should be provided to connect us more easily with the jobs we desire.

Some market conservatives (libertarians, Randian objectivists, perhaps Sean) say that we do not have a right to ask these things of the state. I disagree. Society is inherently cooperative; people who make it by their own determination are really relying on all the opportunities placed before them by a social system that fits their needs and abilities. One of the welfare functions of the state is to ensure that people who express their abilities differently still have an opportunity to pursue their happiness.



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25 Oct 2005, 5:01 pm

Very well said, NeantHumain. I can do amazing things for a company, in the right job, but I can't possibly get that job! :cry:


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25 Oct 2005, 5:29 pm

What I'd really like to see over here is something like they have to a limited extent in England - job agencies specializing in AS, specializing in helping us learn the skills we need to rather than instant 'sink or swim', and in general helping the employers to understand what it is we're dealing with. I don't know whether or not this is the reality of it but hopefully an agency like that would have on hand the types of connections with companies which have job availabilities or potential for such which would a). fit our strengths and buffer our deficits in a way that would benefit the company as much as us and b). where they would allow extended training or allow the agent to help us with taking whatever extra time is needed to familiarise ourselves with the job and how it's done rather than still having to learn it all 'on the fly'. Not that some of us can't learn on the fly, just that I've definitely noticed in my own case that I'm still not real sure of my knowledge unless I've had a chance to double-check it and I usually end up feeling that I lose people's confidence in my ability midstream in the learning process.

As for the behavioral stuff and discrimination, that's gonna be much harder to do and I think the only way that will ever come to pass is if aspergers and autism as well as the life-long realities of it really start getting a lot more public attention than they have, enough to where every Joe, Dick, Harry, and Sally know all about it just from watching TV. Point is as long as our struggle isn't common-knowledge, it's going to be disconfirmed like that indefinitely.


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25 Oct 2005, 6:08 pm

Not much I just want

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must have excellent verbal communication skills
to be removed from employment ads.



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25 Oct 2005, 8:20 pm

TheBladeRoden wrote:
Not much I just want
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must have excellent verbal communication skills
to be removed from employment ads.


And.....

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A good team player

I didn't know this was an ad for a position in the NBA.

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outgoing and a people person

What's a "people person" anyway? :?

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agressive

You mean I can beat up people?

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26 Oct 2005, 11:49 pm

The right to live the life of a Regular Person without ignorant people budding into my buisness.

The right to be treated like the Intelligent person that I am.

The right to have a nice, cheap Appartment where I can have my Dog live with me.

Free Medical and Dental without having to go into the Work Force just to suffer another Breakdown.