can you people tell me something (and don't lie)?

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Look, why does this society seem to VALUE negative characteristics in people, such as dishonesty, selfishness, egoism, apathy, stupidity, group think, while SCORNING people who speak of positive values such as honesty, loyalty, selflessness, integrity, respect, determination, drive, intelligence, and individuality? Don't make it an AS/NT thing because it ISN'T. Why do so many people, including many but not all of the people here, so strongly believe that a cohesive and tolerant, functioning society is evil, or that dysfunction is "normal" and should be valued? I want an honest answer. Don't say "because ignorance feels good", a crack head is still a crack head no matter how the crack makes him feel.

This topic isn't even about homophobia and racism, so I have no idea why you brought it up.

But there was a time when intelligence, respect etc. were valued.

Even then, some artists are ignorant, many of these loons in this new age movement are just as bad as fundies really, the "liberalist extreme", which is nothing more really than self delusions that they adhere to in order to fit into a group. This is why I don't associate with any groups, because no group is perfect, and neither am i or anyone else, but I am conscious enough to learn from the mistakes and errors of others..... People accept flawed ideologies to live their life by without giving it any critical thought, in order to fit in because they are scared of individuality. That is where a lot of the problem lies.

Well society will never say they value "dishonesty, selfishness, egoism, apathy, stupidity, group think." Society doesn't value stupidity, it's just intelligent people are out casted in a way. Most people use dishonesty and egoism to get ahead in society in the sense of becoming financially successful, and that is valued in society. Group think is valued since they don't want to be contradicted as they believe they are the majority and have more power. There are also too many intolerant people in the world who can't realize that others don't think the way they do. Also, because of the way society already is, it is very hard to change it and most people get sucked in thinking the way society wants.

Some of those positive traits are valued but people who display those characteristics are vulnerable and there will always be people who are selfish and take advantage of those people. To society, it seems that having virtuous traits will only hurt you in return and that also leads people towards being negative.

I don't think ignorance feels good and never have.

I don't believe that "a cohesive and tolerant, functioning society is evil" but do realize many faults with society. I may complain a lot about the way society is but I firmly believe it will always be better than anarchy. I personally don't get the impression that many people feel the way you expressed in the last three sentences. People may be bored with their lives and seek to be unique but I don't see many people believing "dysfunction is 'normal.'"

It's the baser things in life...