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24 Dec 2007, 1:36 am

Well, it's sort of screwed up don't you think? I mean, if theyr intending NOT to offend jewish people, theyr obviously screwing up pretty badly. if I were jewish, I think I'd have a right to know about that part of my history, and even if it is horrible, it should still be taught so that people could learn from it (like anyone learns from history anyhow, only awakened people learn really because the same demons humanity has faced throughout history, we still face today and people are totally blind to it).



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24 Dec 2007, 9:13 am

Odin wrote:
CeriseLy wrote:
Who would be OFFENDED by teaching about the Holocaust?


Muslims, I'd guess...

Indeed. And our government doesn't want to provoke a fight with them as that's too politically unpredictable. Muslims have got us by the balls, as it were. There are vast numbers of them in many of our major cities and this is what happens when they get upset:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/?p=339



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24 Dec 2007, 9:47 am

So much cultural integration and "multiculturalism" is bad. If people want to live here, then they should learn to live by our laws and rules. We shouldn't compromise culture in the name of political correctness.


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24 Dec 2007, 11:07 am

It is good to accept some aspects of a foreign culture. We aspies, sort of a foreign culture ourselves, should know that. But if you try to please absolutely everyone, you end up with a conflict of interest. Schools in the US have these problems, too. Science teachers push a lot of saving-the-earth stuff to please the liberal parents, but are terrified of teaching sex ed and evolution, which would offend the conservative parents. The same thing is going on in the UK with Muslims and Jews, only weirder and more offensive.


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24 Dec 2007, 11:31 am

MissPickwickian wrote:
It is good to accept some aspects of a foreign culture...

Chicken chow mein is about as much of foreign culture as I want, here, thanks.



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24 Dec 2007, 1:46 pm

Muslims are going to dominate Europe with their increasing numbers in few decades ....and they won't make the world a better place.

PS:I am a born ex-muslim Lebanese.



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24 Dec 2007, 1:55 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:

I try not to feel superior to NTs. I really, really try.

But this has broken me. It makes me wish that more people had AS, that someone with AS was in charge of UK schools. We tend to value fact over opinion. The Holocaust has been tastelessly exploited for propaganda purposes, certainly, but that doesn't make it any less, you know, REAL. Truth is truth.

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Nah, I don't buy this elitism crap from either side of the fence. AS people are different from NT people, but humans are still humans. You really cannot speak in generalizations; An AS saying "we value fact over opinion" could be countered by an AS stating the psychological fact that those with ASD's are more likely to be immersed in an imaginary realm or have an imaginary friend.

My point? We're all people, and we all do some stupid-ass stuff. But to announce a foolish sense of superiority over those towards whom you feel disdain because of their own ignorance is simply mind-boggling.



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24 Dec 2007, 6:10 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:
I try not to feel superior to NTs. I really, really try.

But this has broken me. It makes me wish that more people had AS, that someone with AS was in charge of UK schools. We tend to value fact over opinion. The Holocaust has been tastelessly exploited for propaganda purposes, certainly, but that doesn't make it any less, you know, REAL. Truth is truth.

:duh:


This forum cured me of the notion that having AS gives you a clearer and more reasonable view of the world. :)

And it's nice to see everyone read the whole thread before beating their breasts about Political Correctness Gone Mad. To quote the relevant bit from page 3:

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"Teaching of the Holocaust is already compulsory in schools at Key Stage 3 [age 11-14].

"It will remain so in the new Key Stage 3 curriculum from September 2008.

"As Alan Johnson made clear in January there are certain subjects which will be protected in the new curriculum and that includes the Holocaust."



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25 Dec 2007, 12:35 pm

Anubis wrote:
So much cultural integration and "multiculturalism" is bad. If people want to live here, then they should learn to live by our laws and rules. We shouldn't compromise culture in the name of political correctness.


IMO the big problem is that Europe is not used to absorbing large numbers of immigrants into a western culture like the immigrant-based English-speaking countries (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are, and are thus having problems getting the immigrants to assimilate. Multiculturalist, cultural relativist notions don't help either and just encourages the formation of ethnic ghettoes even more.


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25 Dec 2007, 12:38 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Muslims are going to dominate Europe with their increasing numbers in few decades ....and they won't make the world a better place.

PS:I am a born ex-muslim Lebanese.


Naw, I think the birth rate among Muslim ethnic communities will eventually drop to normal European levels. I am concerned about the large numbers of Muslim immigrants, but the "Eurabia" rhetoric is over the top scaremongering.


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10 Jan 2008, 7:04 pm

I'd be happy for Holocaust education to be dropped from schools. It serves the same purpose as Slavery education: control of young minds.

If it has been ditched in some schools, or if it will be ditched in some schools in the future, would almost certainly be down to the Muslim lobby. The needs and wants of the native people don't matter to the scum who hold political power.

Much as I despise our establishment for their grovelling to the Muslim lobby (among other things), as they say, "even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day".