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06 Feb 2008, 12:03 pm

Refining massive quanities of oil for fuel is also just part of exxon/mobils business and high risk exploring for it, they would have a great business just buying cheap crude and making all the other products produced from oil.
The cost of the crude prevents them from competing in many products like building supplies, it's cheaper to use wood and metal.



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06 Feb 2008, 4:59 pm

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GE wants to sell wind turbines and solar systems, not light bulbs. The profit margine is way better on research intensive products that are complicated to make which limits everyone & their sister competing in the market.

With something like 100 million homes in the country and maybe over half of them free standing regular houses, the market for solar systems could be massive.
50 million homes and maybe $1,000 profit on each solar system is $50 billion of profit. The markup on light bulbs is nothing compared to that.
Add in commercial solar & wind systems for factories and office buildings & retail buildings and light bulb profit is nothing to even think about.

http://ge.ecomagination.com/site/index.html


BTW, any idea on the cost-effectiveness of solar? My parents were really thinking about it until they saw that it would be $10,000 to put it in and that it would take a couple decades to pay for itself - that was of course maybe 3 or 4 years ago. For them to really have that market though they'll definitely want to invest their research into reducing the production costs of solar cells as much as they can - that seems to be everyone's biggest hangup with it.



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07 Feb 2008, 9:47 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Johnnie wrote:
GE wants to sell wind turbines and solar systems, not light bulbs. The profit margine is way better on research intensive products that are complicated to make which limits everyone & their sister competing in the market.

With something like 100 million homes in the country and maybe over half of them free standing regular houses, the market for solar systems could be massive.
50 million homes and maybe $1,000 profit on each solar system is $50 billion of profit. The markup on light bulbs is nothing compared to that.
Add in commercial solar & wind systems for factories and office buildings & retail buildings and light bulb profit is nothing to even think about.

http://ge.ecomagination.com/site/index.html


BTW, any idea on the cost-effectiveness of solar? My parents were really thinking about it until they saw that it would be $10,000 to put it in and that it would take a couple decades to pay for itself - that was of course maybe 3 or 4 years ago. For them to really have that market though they'll definitely want to invest their research into reducing the production costs of solar cells as much as they can - that seems to be everyone's biggest hangup with it.


They haven't managed to make them really cost effective yet, but as electricity prices rise and advances in production of the equipment lower the price people will invest in them. My neighbor 1 mile down the dirt road has no power service for his vacation home/nice cabin and has solar. No way could normal families live off the system he has which is too lame to run much more than a few lights and the pump for the well.

add up all the household energy bills, heat,hot water,cooking and all the electric used for lighting, washing cloths, cloths drier, air conditioning and in some parts of the country it adds up to a real lot of money, so they are getting real close to be cost effective.

a year ago I lived in CT. Electric bill was over $100 a month and is now probably pushing $150.00 with electric hot water and 350 gallons of heating oil a year. Near $3,000 a year in energy costs to run the house and it was just me living in the house.
I've reduced it to under $2,000 moving to vermont

So a system capable of running everything for a house even at $10,000 is feasable already and once the investment is made it sould be good for 20 years with little further exspense and it would be total protection from inflation and if electric cars ever become cost effective, no more gasoline bill which is probably pushing $1500 a year for average people.



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07 Feb 2008, 5:25 pm

Hmm, sounds like the best people can do for natural resources right now then is just insulate their houses well and buy 90%+ heating units.


On another note though, I just saw the news that Mit Romney dropped out of the race. Odds are now I probably won't be voting at all, unless I register democrat just for the sake of voting Obama.



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13 Feb 2008, 8:44 pm

monty wrote:
ja wrote:
really? Eco-bulb maker GE has a bigger budget for their special-interest lawyers than Exxon and Chevron combined...


Right, but irrelevant. GE has their fingers in more sectors of the economy than Exxon or Chevron combined. GE makes light bulbs, nuclear power plants, and a variety of electric power equipment. But they make more money from leasing, lending and financing, which puts them into a much wider economic arena. They own a television networks (NBC and Telemundo) and major shares of movie studios. So I am not surprised that they have more lawyers and lobbyists.

And that doesn't refute the idea that the oil companies are funding PR and political action which supports their unique interests, but which distorts science.


GE-->Universal(Vivendi)-->NBC, Telemundo, Discovery and other cable outlets


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