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matsuiny2004
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13 Apr 2008, 10:50 pm

one flaw is that he people who were not voting age may not have voted for iether side

any statician would point that out, it is part of the error in data. It only refelcts the views of those eligible to vote at that point in time.

that being said the site may be inaccurate, but the concept of centrism overall seems to make sense that was my point.



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13 Apr 2008, 10:52 pm

If you want an example of a pesron that may be centrist I would go with bill clinton



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14 Apr 2008, 8:19 am

here is an example from another country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_pre ... 07#Results



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14 Apr 2008, 9:43 am

matsuiny2004 wrote:
With how crappy both the right and left wing parties can be would it not make sense for the U.S. to have a mainstream centrist party? many more task would be completed and both sides would at least have some of their arguments heard.

this is already popular in countries like france and other european countries and we have a party that is officially recognized as the centris party

http://www.uscentrist.org/


We already have a centrist party; they are called Democrats. They are hardly the left-wing alternative that we need and have moved so far to the centre that they alienate their liberal base.



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14 Apr 2008, 10:08 am

Eagles1986 wrote:
matsuiny2004 wrote:
With how crappy both the right and left wing parties can be would it not make sense for the U.S. to have a mainstream centrist party? many more task would be completed and both sides would at least have some of their arguments heard.

this is already popular in countries like france and other european countries and we have a party that is officially recognized as the centris party

http://www.uscentrist.org/


We already have a centrist party; they are called Democrats. They are hardly the left-wing alternative that we need and have moved so far to the centre that they alienate their liberal base.


I guess if people considered obama and hillary centrists I could go with that. As for on the republican side I would say chuck hagel cound be considered a centrist. theres is center right and center left too, which just means where your centrist philosophy would go. A true centrist would try to be as inbetween as possible and not try to lean in either direction, so I would consider center left and center simmilar to our concept of moderate right and moderat left.



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16 Apr 2008, 1:08 pm

I would vote for a radical leftist party. I don't mean to offend people, but screw centrism and trying to be "mainstream"


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16 Apr 2008, 1:25 pm

I think we need a Radical Centrist party.



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16 Apr 2008, 4:02 pm

Warsie wrote:
I would vote for a radical leftist party. I don't mean to offend people, but screw centrism and trying to be "mainstream"


Now that is typical brainwash double speak, projecting your clique's faults onto people who are pointing them out to you. radical left and right are both far more mainstream than anything anywhere near the middle.
I'd also definately not call Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama centrists, even if today's left isn't the exact same as it once was, by today's standards I'd call them lefties. Bill Clinton could be somewhat debated, but he was a democrat. I wouldn't call hardly anyone on the democrat or republican ticket anything other than left (dem) or right (rep). With the exception of Ron Paul, but he tried to use the republican party as a vessel to gain more votes, he's more of a libertarian...

But truthfully though, I don't even believe in politics. I mean, yeah we need rules to keep a working society..... But I don't think we need this huge, elaborate system... Technology will be used to overtake us... Every bit of technology down through the ages was built on slavery and oppression to build and uphold it somewhere down the line... And it will be used to take us over. And money is a form of slavery through taxation, we're forced to pay taxes, we don't get to see where they go all the time., and the tax dollars are often being used against us, tax cuts for the rich at our expense and developing this huge military-industrial complex... Now it's being poored into funding mercenary armies to fight for us, who do not have our interests in mind. The entire "civilization" is a big con.
Even activism..... The big boyz always send some of their organizational psychopaths to infiltrate movements, scale the ranks, take over, and divert the groups' aims towards their secret underlying agendas.... it's a war on the public mind, to keep people divided.... And people are always given their "leaders", who are baiting for corporate profits and lying to their followers, and encouraging everyone to point fingers... Drumming them up on pride into nationalism, sexism, racism, religious intolerance, whatever they can use.
I'd say I am an anarchist, but I could only support illegal immigration if everyone stopped using money, stopped paying taxes, stopped going to work, stopped going to school, etc. It would freeze the entire system, expose it, and they'd loose their power. But, realistically, I know that will never happen. And even if by some sheer miracle it were to happen, we couldn't resist such a techno-military-industrial violent war machine as the big boys would throw at us.....
There is something though we can do..... And it starts with waking up, and waking others up. But you can't enlighten the people who wanna be idiots, theyr too far gone, to ever unplug. It starts with awakening oneself, and no matter how much you know, you can always know more. And waking up others who are open minded enough to listen, and not cling to anything at all (be it religion, culture, pop culture, "political correctness" or any of it's offshoots such as feminNAZIism, or Nation of Islam, even much of our science even, it's still a corrupted establishment.... Basically, take everything you think you know about the world, and forget it. Start over again, and take the time to learn everything).