If you had to pick a religion, which would you NOT choose?

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If you had to pick a religion, which would you not choose?

Buddhism	3%	[ 2 ]
Judaism	4%	[ 3 ]
Polytheism	1%	[ 1 ]
Islam	32%	[ 23 ]
Christianity	22%	[ 16 ]
Theism	4%	[ 3 ]
Taoism	0%	[ 0 ]
Atheism/Humanism	7%	[ 5 ]
Sikhism	3%	[ 2 ]
Hinduism	4%	[ 3 ]
Wicca	4%	[ 3 ]
Other	16%	[ 12 ]

Total votes : 73

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11 Apr 2008, 11:21 am

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I would not choose christianity because most religious christians i've known have no respect at all for the beliefs of other people.

Progressive Christians, like moderate Muslims, really do suffer on account of the hateful orthodoxies in their religions.

Christian Orthodoxy is hateful? Which demoninations are you referring to?
The New Testament isn't hateful, and neither are people who truly follow it.
Remember "Love thy neighbor"? "Love your enemies"? Doesn't sound hateful to me.

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11 Apr 2008, 11:24 am

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too bad israel hasn't kept their end of the bargain with regards to the "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" part of the declaration but they're independent now.

What are you talking about? How has Israel violated Palestinians' civil or religious rights?
Your assertion is just not accurate, no matter how much you hate Jews.

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11 Apr 2008, 11:33 am

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The bases claimed by the Israelis for discriminating against the Palestinians ring a bit hollow - it's a bit odd, after all, to expect the local minority group to give up hating you when you cut off their power and water, and bulldoze their homes, on the basis of mere suspicion that terrorists might have been using the area.

Bulldozing Israeli houses where terrorists live is within the purvue of the Israeli government, as is deciding to cut off utilities to terrorist areas. Does the American government have control over all its land, even privately-owned land? If you know anything about the law, you'll know the answer is yes. The same thing exists in Israel. The government has ultimate legal authority over all of Israel's land and housing authorization. They know that terrorists routinely hide out in Palestinian civilian homes, and wreak terror on the populace from those homes. And, again, Israel does not discriminate against the Palestinians, any more than American law decries blacks (which it of course does not).

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11 Apr 2008, 11:37 am

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I've never really known a book to encourage violence and force the way the Qu'ran does. I know there are a lot of nice muslim people out there, but the book isn't so much.

Ya, I'd be more inclined to be friends which liberal Muslims than with the hardcore practioners of Islam.
Being friends with someone who disagrees with you philisophically is a lot easier than being friends with a guy
who believes his god wants him to eventually kill you if you don't convert!

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11 Apr 2008, 11:54 am

Capriccio wrote:

I've never really known a book to encourage violence and force the way the Qu'ran does. I know there are a lot of nice muslim people out there, but the book isn't so much.

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple." Jesus, in Luke 14:26

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11 Apr 2008, 2:14 pm

You're probably referring to that word 'hate.' In Jewish context, the word "hate" simply means to "love less," meaning that you value God above everything else.

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11 Apr 2008, 3:30 pm

monty wrote:

Capriccio wrote:

I've never really known a book to encourage violence and force the way the Qu'ran does. I know there are a lot of nice muslim people out there, but the book isn't so much.

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple." Jesus, in Luke 14:26

I find it interesting that you pick specifically Luke's telling of Jesus's statement, and not Matthew's or Mark's.

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me" (Matt 10:37).

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus replied, 'no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life'" (Mark 10:29-30).

So, clearly Jesus is referring to us placing our ultimate loyalty with God, above all else.

And also, Jesus told a man that he must honor his parents in order to inherit eternal life:
"As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. 'Good teacher,' he asked, 'what must I do to inherit eternal life?' 'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'" (Mark 10:17-19)

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11 Apr 2008, 5:25 pm

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I voted on the basis of how oppressed I would be in modern times as a woman (Christianity and Judaism have gotten better overall about women in recent years, while Islam has gotten worse).

However, I don't think I could abide by Mormonism.

Mormons gave up on polygamy over a century ago, and now are very insistent on only traditional monogamous marriage. Their women are no more oppressed than the women in mainline Catholic and Protestant sects of Christianity.

It's not how hey treat women that bothers me, but rather that their cosmology is even more ridiculous than most (faking walking on water in ancient Rome=hard. faking reading gold plates out of a hat in early America=easy). Sorry to any Mormons on the thread.

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15 Apr 2008, 1:09 pm

All of the above? Except atheism.

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15 Apr 2008, 1:46 pm

Atheism/Humanism is not a religion =_=

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15 Apr 2008, 1:57 pm

Yeah for Taoism.

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15 Apr 2008, 3:32 pm

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Atheism/Humanism is not a religion =_=

Is so. It is a belief in something that can't be proven--the nonexistence of God. :mrgreen:

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15 Apr 2008, 4:02 pm

Ragtime wrote:

I find it interesting that you pick specifically Luke's telling of Jesus's statement, and not Matthew's or Mark's.

I find it interesting that anyone could believe that the Bible is the innerant word of God when there are so many differences between the various Gospels. Consider the crucifixion - according to one Gospel account, Jesus understood his fate and accepted it peacefully; according to another Gospel account, he cried out in frustration to God, asking him why God did this to him. Which is it? It can't be both.

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15 Apr 2008, 4:18 pm

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Is so. It is a belief in something that can't be proven--the nonexistence of God. :mrgreen:

Is it really a believe in non-existence or rather a lack of belief due to insufficient evidence? Many of the great atheists claim that they are so because they do not see the hypothesis of a deity as necessary or as supported by evidence.

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15 Apr 2008, 11:04 pm

"Scientology" wasn't up there, so I chose "Other".

Nothing against the faith itself, apart from the fact that it was coined by a sci-fi writer... I just find the idea of an alien overlord named Xenu flying spare people to Earth in DC-8 like aircraft and dropping them around volcanoes and H-bombing them, therefore creating "body thetans" which stick to us and cause us pain, a bit far-fetched.

But hey, if that's their cup of tea, good for them. The world is what you make it.

EDIT: Good to see i'm not alone.

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16 Apr 2008, 4:37 pm

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Atheism/Humanism is not a religion =_=

Is so. It is a belief in something that can't be proven--the nonexistence of God. :mrgreen:

No, it's not, hun. Atheist only share ONE BELIEF in common: there is no god. We don't have a sacred text, nor the same values. There is no Church of Atheism.

And I'd like to see some proof that a god cannot be disproven =_=

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