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01 Sep 2008, 1:25 pm

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I saw it, it was pretty creepy. I thought it would have been more effective if the filmmaker's bias wasn't quite so obvious though, I couldn't help but feel like I was watching some low budget Michael Moore shooting fish in a barrel.


I prefer when bias is evident because everyone has a bias that influences how they cut a film. Films that try to hide the bias are not always as interesting. I would argue that the filmmaker showed less editorial authorship than many documentaries. The filmmaker basically let Becky Fisher, the woman who runs the camp, talk so much that she ended up hanging herself and showing everyone what she's made of. I mean, just listening to her for a couple minutes, you can tell that woman is not a very sane person.


I would have liked it a little better if they had interviewed some less crazy Christians as well, for balance purposes. What I'm saying here is that by choosing the nuttiest bunch they could find and sticking exclusively with them, it felt to me like they set out to make a film vilifying Evangelical Christianity, and that made their message less powerful to me. Also, the only non-Christian they interviewed was a talk show host on Air America, hardly an unbiased source. With a subject as obviously nuts as Becky Fisher, they could have put a very strong counter-weight in the film, and she still would have hung herself just as effectively. The part where she goes on about the Muslims training suicide bombers from a young age, and that the Christians need to start indoctrinating young too was particularly good, I'm sure the film maker mas mentally shouting "cha-ching! jackpot!" when she said that.


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01 Sep 2008, 1:44 pm

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Don't people just choose to be offended? Isn't that the line?


You can choose not to be offended by Jesus quips then

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I would have liked it a little better if they had interviewed some less crazy Christians as well, for balance purposes. What I'm saying here is that by choosing the nuttiest bunch they could find and sticking exclusively with them, it felt to me like they set out to make a film vilifying Evangelical Christianity, and that made their message less powerful to me.


Evangelical Christianity is nutty by definition


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22 Sep 2008, 5:12 pm

i saw it. thought it was funny. im the kind of person that finds humor in such things. you think in this age or science and technology the idea of holy wars and crusades would be less popular. you'd be wrong.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:16 pm

Taking potshots at nutty fringe groups is far too easy. The subtext of the documentary is that all Christians are like these people we're showing you.



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22 Sep 2008, 5:52 pm

had to stop halfway through when i first watched it then go back to it. it's just very offsetting to see kids being brainwashed like that. kind of a hitler youth type deal.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:52 pm

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had to stop halfway through when i first watched it then go back to it. it's just very offsetting to see kids being brainwashed like that. kind of a hitler youth type deal.


I kind of agree.



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22 Sep 2008, 5:57 pm

note: i know not all christianity is like that. but that specific instance is just horrifying to me.


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22 Sep 2008, 6:07 pm

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The subtext of the documentary is that all Christians are like these people we're showing you.


I think that's a bit melodramatic. I didn't get that at all from it, and neither did the rest of my non-religious family. What it did was illustrate some fairly-creepy fringe people.


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22 Sep 2008, 6:15 pm

It's because of that church, as well as Westboro, that make me want to renounce Christianity.


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22 Sep 2008, 6:19 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The subtext of the documentary is that all Christians are like these people we're showing you.


I think that's a bit melodramatic. I didn't get that at all from it, and neither did the rest of my non-religious family. What it did was illustrate some fairly-creepy fringe people.


it's especially melodramatic considering the vocal counterpoint in the movie...the radio talkshow host is a christian saying "these guys don't represent me or many others.".


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22 Sep 2008, 7:47 pm

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It's because of that church, as well as Westboro, that make me want to renounce Christianity.


You shouldn't let some fringe lunatics upset your faith.


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22 Sep 2008, 11:34 pm

I don't think I could watch that movie. Seeing little clips of it remind me of Colorado Springs, not to mention that Haggard was in the movie.

WHen Haggard was found to be doing... stuff by the way, it was a great day for me, while the whole high school was quiet, I was bouncing off the walls happy as I could be. I also got a fair amount of glee in rubbing that into conservatives' face but I have to learn control that impulse.



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23 Sep 2008, 5:21 am

Phagocyte wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
It's because of that church, as well as Westboro, that make me want to renounce Christianity.


You shouldn't let some fringe lunatics upset your faith.


Tell that to the Muslims.



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23 Sep 2008, 8:05 am

slowmutant wrote:
Taking potshots at nutty fringe groups is far too easy. The subtext of the documentary is that all Christians are like these people we're showing you.


No - it is clear that this movie is not about the average Lutheran, Episcopal, or Catholic person who has moderate beliefs. It is about neo-Pentecostals, who do have weird ideas and a twisted religious/political philosophy. Christians should do more to distinguish between the nutters and the normals within ranks (and not elect a neo-Pent to the office of Vice President).