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Evolution is practically proven, and even if it was wrong or something to that effect it, it does not validate or make the claim that some random creator created every single organism on the planet any less ridiculous an explanation. Also I'm not claiming that it's possible or not possible to know exactly what created the Universe, but I can tell you it's highly improbable that it was a god. And while I agree there are plenty of things we don't know and probably won't ever know, all I'm saying is basically that because we don't know it doesn't mean we should rely on fairy tales to explain the universe. If I needed to have an answer just to have one that bad I could think of far better ways to explain it, or perhaps look at the most logical theory that explains the question. I would rather go with a rational guess or just be honest and say I don't know.

Of course, the problem is the difficulty with ascertaining fact, and the difficulty of identifying a particularly non-subjective definition of "reason".

You can dress up calling people teh st00pid, but you still can't take it to a fanceh restaurant.

Right, its a question of which they're referring to - the ideas or the institution.

We do rely on fairy tales to explain the universe. Albiet fairly accurate fairy tales. Evolution is not practically proven.And to believe that it is, is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. Evolution is possible though not mathematically probable, and so far it is a decent explanation of how we may have gotten here. No more, no less.

Now the belief that there is a god the began life and created the universe is also possible though not mathematically probable, and so far it is a decent explanation of how we may have gotten here. No more, no less.

Since you cannot prove nor disprove the existence of a supernatural being using natural methods. You just have to pick one and believe in it.

There really isn't a most logical theory because logic simply dictates that you do not know. And so walking around claiming your belief is most logical, fact or practically proven is subjective and quite silly.

Either life spontaneously began on its own, or it was created by something else. To be honest either option is possible, and both are highly improbable. But as they are the only two options we have though of yet. I wouldn't shut my mind to either option just because I might not like the outcome. That is poor science.

Now beyond how life began, beliefs split all over the place. Life could have been created and then it evolved, it could have been created as is, it could have evolved randomly, It could be a simulation, it could be a trick of the mind. No one knows.

I guess the difference between me and you is that I make a rational guess and admit that it is a guess and that I do not know. And you seem to throw all your faith behind one thing and believe that it is fact despite the fact that it isn't... allowing only its practically proven possibility when confronted with actual fact. Which is quite dogmatic (characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles). I do not like that from either evolutionists or creationists.

yes which is why the best you could get is a time frame.

But however complex your decision your body will know before "you" do what your brain's final "decision" is. And it will be preparing for that, with activity in the appropriate motor neurones etc, even as you think that you are just arriving at a decision.


Where could such a "free" will exist?

If you do not believe in a soul with existence outside of the physical universe, independent of the physical world, ( in which case how does it "act on" the physical world of your neurones ? ), then any part of you making decisions is always determined by something. And that "something" is in turn determined by something else. Ad infinitum back to beginning of universe.

Where in all that is your "free" will? Is it determined by something else or not? If it is then it is not "free", and if it is not then it must exist outside our physical universe, and then you need to explain how something outside of our physical universe has an effect on the brain.


You forget that feedback has a powerful effect. It is data/input, which alters behaviour, encourages effort, reinforces "good" behaviour etc. Giving praise plays an important role in influencing/directing another person's actions. Everything in the universe is data which determines how other things in it function, and your praise may help someone else to do something.


It is the belief that free will exists which actually encourages lack of responsibility for one's actions, because it is possible to say that one was ill, under medication, drunk, scared, following orders, abused as a child, poor, badly brought up, and be partly, or completely, excused. As soon as realise that free will is just a belief, an illusion, see that noone has anymore than anyone else, ever. We all of us have none, at any time. There are no excuses at all.

Realising that there is no such thing as free will liberates one from thinking that some other, lucky, people have "more" of it than oneself, and other, pathetic/deprived/feeble types less. It is democratic. I see someone apparently totally unable to sort out their life, and I can no longer feel superior to them, for having got my life somewhat more "together". I see someone whose life looks super-sorted, in comparison to whom I previously felt permanently inadequate/a failure/less worthy, and now I know that they have no more free will than I have. This is good for me, ( and people around me ) ; it enables me to perceive people with more "love"/compassion, without resentment.

Practise using your free will, on things which are not easy, ( for me this has been giving up gluten, and sugar, but could be exercising, whatever ), and see what you achieve, how far you can go. So long as you don't use your free will, just keep it safe somewhere, don't risk it, it might seem solid enough. But actually try using it, risking it, and see if you don't find proof that everything you do is determined by god/the universe.

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