*Any Reason to Preserve Other Animals?*

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Not every species is necessary to maintain ecological balance, but many are, as I found out a couple of pages back already, and which information I have repeatedly made reference to since then.


Which study are these figures based on, if any?


Strange creationists, if they are "like me" and believe that Darwin's Theory of Evolution is substantially/fundamentally correct.


I don't think that humans have "souls" either.


I do? That must be why I am looking after a kitten for two and a half weeks, and feeding her fresh duck, lamb, tuna, and tinned sardines, and burst into tears after rescuing her from where she had got trapped in the wall one evening. I reacted as if my 9 year old son was in danger.

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Every animal is part of the ecological web.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... sdying.htm

Dear LKL,

If you eat vegetables, I don't think that it will make you turn into a vegetable by chance. If you eat ret*d animals, you probably won't become ret*d. But who knows? With all the pesticides and genetically engineered food, we might just turn into robots.

Edit. Deleted xmas ( dairy, sugar and chocolate ) ramblings.
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Last edited by ouinon on 30 Dec 2008, 11:01 am, edited 2 times in total.

You are insane and you don't think "farther than your nose" (Lebanese expression)....


Let me give you a tiny example: Sea Turtles might not necessary for human food but turtles eat jellyfish , if all turtles disappear then jellyfish would be overpopulate the sea and hence swimming there would become more dangerous , not only for humans but even for many species of fish! So people should refrain throwing plastic bags (which are usually eaten by turtles , mistaken them with jellyfish) that kill sea turtles.

There are million of such examples in nature....

Regardless if you believe in evolution or not, aren't you a Creationist or a bible believer?

Preserving other animals, ( other than for food and company ), is only becoming valuable/a valid proposition to humans because scientists have begun to point out that it is necessary for our survival. I am suggesting that if it were not increasingly clear that it is in our interest as a species there would be no reason at all to preserve other animals, ( except for food and company ).
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Last edited by ouinon on 30 Dec 2008, 11:04 am, edited 2 times in total.

The Creationist position and the Theory of Evolution are, by definition, mutually exclusive things, as far as I am aware.

What does "bible believer" mean?

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I was joking.
I'm actually less worried about the genetic engineering than I am about the pesticides. Some of that stuff is really nasty, and it is inevitable that bugs will eventually evolve around them.

There is no 'reason' to keep other animals than those.

Yet, the question would be, how do we determine an animal is useful for out survival/activities? There's a balance in the wild that is important for us, and that seems rather hard to restore once it is broken.

Each individual living species is the result of millions of years of experimentation and success in existence in innumerable different habitats and environments. Scientists have only begun to comprehend the various mechanisms that life uses to maintain itself. Whenever a species is destroyed a huge amount of very valuable knowledge is lost forever. Humanity is only one of the many species and although it has many unique and useful potentials there is no way to gauge the potentials of all other species which may have dynamic qualities equal or superior to humans in their own environments. Wen a species disappears it is a major tragedy.

Why? Thousands, tens of thousands, of species disappeared before humans even began making tools. The environment changes.
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Last edited by ouinon on 30 Dec 2008, 10:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

I was joking too. Did you look at that link? Why do you think the bees are dying. Some scientists say it is due to pesticides.

IIrc they decided that it was a disease that is transmitted by mites.

My hope is that the honeybees are able to evolve a resistance to both the disease and the mites before they're all killed off; they are relatively slow reproducers for insects, though, especially when they're in domestic hives.

Honeybees (Apis mellifera) are non-native to the Western hemisphere, but (like earthworms) they have become integrated into the environment and they are essential to our agricultural production. It would be a pretty tremendous upheaval if they were to go extinct now.

I have just realised/worked-out that I am allergic to cats.

I knew that there was something bizarre about my hyper-emotional reaction the first two evenings and morning about it's running around madly etc etc, and then getting lost in wall.

I knew I was feeling increasingly spacy/floaty mentally but put it down to more dairy and sugar than usual over xmas. But I had the first bout, ( in years ) of urticaria/itchy skin rash about 3-4 weeks ago, just after new friend, ( who I see about once or twice a week ) got the kitten.

And then I woke up yesterday with severe diarrheoa and the first actual vomiting, ( as opposed to nausea ), in years, and spent day in bed etc ( incidentally away from cat ). Felt lots better. Today feel worse as day wears on, begin to feel "off" again. Go to bed, woken up two hours later by dream which tells me something about the cat, and ... boom ... I have worked it out.

I suppose I would have found out before if I had ever lived with one. Never have except for three months at a time when totally alcoholic.

No wonder I have been fretting about animal rights! Weird, the way the body-mind works. I, ( my body ) have been wanting to get rid of this cat, without my mind knowing why.

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LKL wrote:

Some scientists believe that the bees are getting lost and that there homing device is off kilter because of a shift in the earths magnetic field. This is still being debated. It's happening world wide. I believe it's caused by global warming and the shift of the poles.

From what I've witnessed bees have been behaving oddly. There was a swarm that hovered over the freeway here. I've seen more bees walk around like they are confused or like they are stuck in something sticky, but they aren't.
It's strange.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disappea ... ories.html