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25 Jan 2009, 11:30 pm

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What do you mean. Under Clinton our country has at its best. Almost Full Employment, Rapid Growth.


All that and the dot com bubble. Many of the "easy money" policies regarding loans were started in the Clinton administration. They came home to bite in the Dubya Bush administration. Which does not get either Bush or the Republicans off the hook. Bush was playing fast and loose to fund his mistaken war in Iraq.

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Actually, the subprime business dates back to the Carter administration.

I think it would be rather difficult to say the bubble does though.


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Well the moron did start a spending war with the soviet union. Attacked countries that had nothing to do with combatants during the Contra affair. Created one of the worst budget deficient ever. Created a good for nothing missile system. Promoted Christan Right-Wing BS & so on.



What you say is true. BUT it is better than a thermonuclear war, wouldn't you say? Reagan inadvertently started a chain of events that undid the late (and unlamented) Soviet Union. It was probably a combination of the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan plus the arms race that undid the Soviet Union. We are paying for that now and will for some time to come. But at least we are alive and we do not glow in the dark.

As to civil rights, I was alive and awake during the 80's and I did not notice any of my rights being removed or infringed. What makes you think the 80's were bad for civil rights? Can you be more specific?

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26 Jan 2009, 3:59 pm

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Well the moron did start a spending war with the soviet union. Attacked countries that had nothing to do with combatants during the Contra affair. Created one of the worst budget deficient ever. Created a good for nothing missile system. Promoted Christan Right-Wing BS & so on.



What you say is true. BUT it is better than a thermonuclear war, wouldn't you say? Reagan inadvertently started a chain of events that undid the late (and unlamented) Soviet Union. It was probably a combination of the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan plus the arms race that undid the Soviet Union. We are paying for that now and will for some time to come. But at least we are alive and we do not glow in the dark.

As to civil rights, I was alive and awake during the 80's and I did not notice any of my rights being removed or infringed. What makes you think the 80's were bad for civil rights? Can you be more specific?

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No provisions to the civil rights act where made. Reagan himself didn't even support the 1965 bill. The War-On-Drugs was just another way of throwing troubled african americans in prison and so on. Reagan didn't help in what was still a problem throughout the country.



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26 Jan 2009, 4:04 pm

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No provisions to the civil rights act where made. Reagan himself didn't even support the 1965 bill. The War-On-Drugs was just another way of throwing troubled african americans in prison and so on. Reagan didn't help in what was still a problem throughout the country.


You are saying what did NOT happen was a happening. Very strange.

By the way, blame Congress. They pass the laws in this republic.

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26 Jan 2009, 4:09 pm

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By the way, blame Congress. They pass the laws in this republic.

But the President is able to advance their legislative program, and usually does so. Reagan in particular was well known for being very effective in exerting pressure on Congress to force them to follow his legislative agenda.


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26 Jan 2009, 4:21 pm

Andrew Jackson, you tell me why!!



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I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for saying this, but Ronald Reagan. On his own, he was a pretty good president, qualified to do the job, and scared every other country on the earth s**tless...

However, the failure in my eyes comes from the fact that his economic policies are still the core of the Republican party today. You know that idea that "reckless spending is good for the economy" that the Republicans are so proud of? That was Reagan's idea (or at least the idea of someone in his staff)... In today's world, the average european makes less money than the average US citizen (albeit working fewer hours), and yet is just as economically stable (if not moreso), and has a good deal of money saved up each year, all because they don't go out and buy sh** every time they have the cash on hand to do so...

ToadOfSteel already did, and citing very very good reason for doing so.




Well the moron did start a spending war with the soviet union. Attacked countries that had nothing to do with combatants during the Contra affair. Created one of the worst budget deficient ever. Created a good for nothing missile system. Promoted Christan Right-Wing BS & so on.

Not to mention the fact that the 1980's was a very dark period for civil-rights. Putting the countries military & supply-side economics before civil rights. Made no provison's to the Voting Rights act of 1965. Didn't even bring up Gay-Rights & many more issues such as AID's.

Irresponsible fiscal policy, diminishing the welfare system, lack of accomplishment towards issues like AIDS's and so on. Releasing patients from mental hospitals. Putting disabled people in a very bad position and so on. [Cutting welfare on a wheelchair-bound person, shame.] Reagan in my opinion would be one of the worst presidents ever. Down with Buchanan, Andrew Jackson & Warren Harding.