Encouragement to kill babies in the Christian Bible

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Yes, indeed that is true, you DO see your view of Jesus through rose-colored glasses. And this is why you are able to ignore (or twist) the multiple immoral things he did/said.

Last edited by emp on 02 May 2006, 9:47 pm, edited 2 times in total.

So the bible encourages killing babies and raping girls.
But you say, regardless of what the book contains, most Christians do not kill babies or rape girls.
That is missing the point.

The point is that it is perverse to revere and deem sacred a book that encourages killing babies and raping girls.

And in previous times, many Christians really DID go on murdering and raping sprees (for example the crusades). Fortunately, they have progressively lost power since those times, and thus can no longer continue such terrible, terrible behavior. However it still happens to a lesser extent -- for example, according to the news reports, every year there are Christian priests around the world convicted as pedophiles.

Most of the Christian raping that occurs these days is mental rape rather than physical rape. Mental rape means inflicting purely psychological and emotional damage on a person, which can wreak havoc with their life. It can also mean turning them into a stark raving mad fanatic who ignores all reason and rationality. Christianity is unethical.

Well, I'm not ignoring reason and rationality. My reason and rationality indeed comes from God's word.

Wish I'd thought to say this earlier, but the most important, most central thing is to concentrate on God himself, and to simply believe. Just to believe, and have faith. Again I'll say you're needlessly picking things apart and concentrating on the small details. That concentration should be on God, and to purely and simply believe.

Unfortunately, those "small details" include millions of murders over the years. Every single one of them was a real person. I think people really need to stop accepting being subservient to some higher power (real or imagined), and take full responsibility for this world into their own hands. Don't simply shrug and say "Well, god works in mysterious ways", or "It's the government, they can do what they like". You have will, and reason, and the ability to have an effect on the world around you. To simply shrug off responsibility for the universe around you is utterly negligent, and gives power by default to those who have the will to use it.

Many times the Bible uses lots of symbolism, and many times people quote fragments out of the Bible to make it say exactly what they want it to say. Take the "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!"
(Matthew 24:19, see also Mark 13:17, KJV) that people claim. The entire chapter says:

Mat 24: 1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Mat 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Mat 24:46 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Therefore, it's not saying that Jesus hates pregnant women, as some would say, but rather saying how bad it's going to be for the pregnant and nursing women the day of the Abomination of Desolation occurs.

Hell fire!! !, Hell fire!, Hell fiiiirrrreee!! !!

If you want to beileve and have faith, that's fine. Just don't confuse faith with fact

Okay, that's personal. It is in no way insanity. I don't even know where this thread has gone.
Why is it insanity that I call myself a Lutheran? Luther was a man, he made his mistakes, but does that mean I should not study and learn from the very insightful writing that he had? Should I denounce all of his teachings as hersy?

emp, I have no clue where you got most of this crap from, but If you wanted to, you could get the bible to say anything you wanted to. The bible says there is no God, in proverbs, I believe. You think that isn't true? "the fool believes that there is no God"
It's a little thing The bible scholars like to call 'Context is King.'
By the way, your first quote misinterpreted the text, as far I can tell. (not completely, but enough)