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21 May 2006, 8:36 pm

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I did read it carefully. I said in a sincere manner and not to be selfish. So what part do You not get or understand with My statement.

If You do it it in a sincere manner and way it it may even be heard by God, and if You don't do it in a selfish way or manner just, to make Yourself to feel good for about praying, then it will be sincere and unselfish then would it not in the end.


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22 May 2006, 12:02 am

kevv729 -- mielikki explained it well:

"Praying for someone if they know you are praying for them may bring them comfort.
Random praying for someone you don't know and will never meet, only brings you comfort."

Praying is a fundamentally insincere, self-serving, and self-centered action. People who pray do it primarily because it makes themselves feel good. i.e. they do it mostly or entirely for their own benefit.



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22 May 2006, 10:36 am

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Yes many prayers maybe self-centered, insincere, and self-serving, but some with a sincere heart will not be. Prayer is meant to show what is in the heart nothing more or less. So whatever You think about prayer or people that pray or not that is up to You. You an anybody can be skeptical about prayer and anybody that prays in the end too. Then You and any of You believe in what the World as a God-less World then to in the end. Prayers can move that person that is praying in the end. So whatever You may think Prayers can be a Powerful, and a tool that can help both persons the one that is Praying and the one receiving the Prayer in the end.


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23 May 2006, 4:02 am

kevv729 wrote:
Yes many prayers maybe self-centered, insincere, and self-serving, but some with a sincere heart will not be.


If a person had a sincere heart, they would not be praying. The very act of praying means that you are doing something insincere. Praying is a fundamentally insincere and self-centered activity. Although there may be exceptions.

It is like your brother sneaks into your bedroom and smashes your piggy bank and takes your coins. You ask, "But what if he had a sincere heart when he did it?" Possibly he did, but that is not usually the case. Smashing someones piggy bank is usually a self-centered action (although there may be exceptions). Praying is the same.



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23 May 2006, 10:49 am

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If a person had a sincere heart, they would not be praying. Although there may be exceptions.
If a person was sincere. Why would they not pray? Then You also say this "Although there maybe exception." are You not contradicting Yourself; when You say this in the end. Anybody can Pray, a sincere person or insincere person.

You are looking at this to simplistic for what are Prayers for then emp. Being to simplistic and or skeptical is the way of this World. Prayers are not just for comfort, but a way to communicate with God. That is the true meaning and understanding of Prayers and Praying. Not just to bring comfort to Yourself or another person. All here can be skeptical all they want to be what Praying is truly is suppose to be truly for in the end. Communicating with God is important for Us as well for God.

Prayers and Praying is apart of what We make it to be, and what We want to see. Either way in a sincere way or insincere way. It is up to the Individual to make it sincere or insincere. It is up to God to interpret Our Hearts and Prayers. Can You interpret what I write here as being sincere or insincere? Do You know what is in My Heart?

Prayers are like Songs. When a person sings a song they sing it from the heart do they not? Do You not hear that person's feelings and emotions in their voice when singing a song. For that what are Prayers are like to in the end.


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24 May 2006, 3:24 am

I'd be insulted if people prayed for me.


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24 May 2006, 5:07 pm

kevv729 wrote:
If a person was sincere, why would they not pray?

Because praying for someone who you do not know only brings yourself some comfort, and does nothing for the target person of the prayer. Therefore it is self-centered.


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Deus_ex_machina wrote:
I'd be insulted if people prayed for me.

Me too.



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25 May 2006, 7:15 am

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You are looking at Prayer all wrong and whatever, You think of Prayers is up to You to think about them in the end.


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25 May 2006, 10:06 pm

kevv729 wrote:
You are looking at Prayer all wrong

I could say the same about you.



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26 May 2006, 1:56 am

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Let's pray/send good thoughts to Sophie anyway..

I am sorry emc, but I have to disagree. I do not think that praying for Sophie is a nice thing to do. I actually think it is a selfish thing to do. Praying for someone is a selfish thing because it makes yourself feel better while doing nothing for the person. Prayer is a nasty thing, and I actually think it shows disrespect for Sophie to pray for her. Furthermore, praying for her is implicitly condoning gods action or lack of action regarding Sophie, which again is disrespecting Sophie. I apologize for being harsh but I must speak with honesty.

A nicer thing to do than praying would be to send her a card in the mail.


Um, I didn't overly want to get involved in debating to pray or not to pray.

Just curious, why is it better to send her a card in the mail?



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26 May 2006, 5:45 am

emc wrote:
emp wrote:
emc wrote:
Let's pray/send good thoughts to Sophie anyway..

I am sorry emc, but I have to disagree. I do not think that praying for Sophie is a nice thing to do. I actually think it is a selfish thing to do. Praying for someone is a selfish thing because it makes yourself feel better while doing nothing for the person. Prayer is a nasty thing, and I actually think it shows disrespect for Sophie to pray for her. Furthermore, praying for her is implicitly condoning gods action or lack of action regarding Sophie, which again is disrespecting Sophie. I apologize for being harsh but I must speak with honesty.

A nicer thing to do than praying would be to send her a card in the mail.


Um, I didn't overly want to get involved in debating to pray or not to pray.

Just curious, why is it better to send her a card in the mail?


It'll probably be because of the phyiscal evidence, if you got a letter saying "Get well soon" you'd know people wanted you to get well, but anyone could just say "People are praying for you" you'll also know how many people want you to get well, praying could be any amount, but I guess your perspective on this will differ depending on how you were raised, what you were born like, et cetera.


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26 May 2006, 8:31 am

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I have all ready explained Myself. I wonder if You read My posts at all?


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26 May 2006, 9:49 pm

emc wrote:
Just curious, why is it better to send her a card in the mail?


Praying for her does absolutely nothing for her. Whereas if she receives a "Get well soon" card, then it makes her feel good.