Climate Change is Natural: 100 Reasons Why

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16 Dec 2009, 4:16 pm

Umm, excuse me, but where is your documentation? Either provide some or your entire article is hearsay.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138

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CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL: 100 REASONS WHY


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HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:


What dossier? Where is it?

What pages do your claims come from?

I was kind of expecting some footnotes here ya know.

Oh, my bad, I forgot, newspaper "Journalists" will start footnoting their newspaper articles the day James Dobson gets married to the Ayatollah.


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16 Dec 2009, 5:18 pm

List of science academies that agree with global warming (wikipedia):

European Academy of Sciences and Arts
InterAcademy Council
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
Network of African Science Academies
Royal Society of New Zealand
Polish Academy of Sciences
National Research Council (US)

American Association for the Advancement of Science
European Science Foundation
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies

American Geophysical Union
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Association of Geoscience Teachers

American Meteorological Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization

American Quaternary Association
International Union for Quaternary Research

American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Society for Microbiology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Institute of Biology (UK)
Society of American Foresters
The Wildlife Society (international)

American Academy of Pediatrics
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Medical Association
American Public Health Association
Australian Medical Association
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Health Organization

American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American Institute of Physics
American Physical Society
American Statistical Association
Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
International Association for Great Lakes Research


And else:
"With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."

Now let me think for 30 seconds. Should I trust all the organizations mentioned above or anonimous blogers with dubious credentials??? uhh... scientits or bloggers? scientists or bloggers? It is getting too dificult to me. But I would trust scientists above bloggers even if I could understand nothing about what they were talking.



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16 Dec 2009, 5:43 pm

Wedge wrote:
List of science academies that agree with global warming (wikipedia):

Agreement is not the same a documentation.

One can agree with someone right as easily as someone wrong.


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16 Dec 2009, 6:12 pm

Nothing in science can explain the known climate of the last 50,000 years. We are in the third warm period, and the thermal change from ice sheets covering a lot of north America and Europe, to none, and back again, is heat transfer far beyond any global source.

The political version is new industries wind farms, solar, will never be profitable without government subsidies. Only by taxing coal and oil, can a few companies live on government redistrabution rather than the merits of their technology.

An Ice Age is more likely, and the real problems of the near future, 2040, are over population, declining food production, and a shortage of fresh water.

We are Biology, we are over running our food supply, we will die in mass starting in 2040-2050.

As the projection of population growth and food supply cross, we will have to produce more food than has been produce in all time, every year. That is not likely to happen.

Famine, Plague, Ice Age, all kill quickly. Compared to the record of other species, a 95% die off is likely. No water, die in a week, no food, die in months, a few meters of snow that stays over the summer, Europe would be gone in a year.

Both food production and water supply are in decline now.