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07 Apr 2005, 4:44 am

Sean wrote:

DO you remember the name of the Bill and what year it was passed?

No, I don't remember the bill name or year of passage for any bill. I just remember the law itself. It was in effect for about two weeks before Florida legislators came to their senses.

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07 Apr 2005, 6:26 am

Sean wrote:

That's a cool law. I'm don't think it was describes very well at the start of this thread. The law allows people who have been violently attacked by a criminal to kill them without having to try and flee first. This is legal in California which I should point out has many gun laws of questionable constitutionality.

I think that everyone can change. It the law states what is above, it does not take into account if somebody were to go to that person and apologize. Some people simply "look" threatening. I know someone whos face is simply threatening, but he is a very kind person.

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07 Apr 2005, 8:57 am

The bad guys sometimes dont look threatning.
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07 Apr 2005, 2:31 pm

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Sean wrote:

This isn't just a matter of someone's appearance. "Your Honor, the big, scary man in black leather was scowling at me, so I shot him." isn't going to fly in court.

And if someone has been brutally attacked, I don't think an apology would make them feel all better or even think "Boy! I'm sure glad I didn't wound or kill my attacker in order to avoid the destruction of my own life!"

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07 Apr 2005, 9:41 pm

The way I understood the law was that someone had to try to commit a violent crime against you before you can kill them, not just because they gave you dirty looks.

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09 Apr 2005, 7:51 am

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I live in Florida (IT SUCKS), and I haven't about this before. It would sound like a reasonably good idea if it were worded better. It makes some sense. Anyways, Florida is BAD. Weather=BAD and RANDOM..

The weather in Florida is random?! I find that hard to believe, since it stormed at 1500 hours every afternoon when i visited my grandparents there.

And i side with sean... I think it has to be a violent offense. I mean, somebody can't just break out an AK-47 just because, say, a member of the opposite gender was looking at them...

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09 Apr 2005, 8:05 am

Well that is good if the law is more specific like some said. I don't think there is one here like that, but im glad i don't live in Florida. I was threatened by an armed individual and could have been shot for similar reasons once. Sometimes it can be real bad to get lost.

Hey Ed, maybe this will help: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws.php?sid=&cid=184
http://tjshome.com/dumblaws.php

a few good ones:
US
If two trains meet on the same track, neither shall proceed until the other has passed.
Location: United States, Kansas

Detonating a nuclear device within the city limits results in a $500 fine.
Location: United States, California, Chic

Idiots may not vote.
Location: United States, New Mexico

Persons classified as "ugly" may not walk down any street.
Location: United States, California, San Francisco

A recently passed anticrime law requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed.
Location: United States, Texas

Horses are forbidden to eat fire hydrants.
Location: United States, Iowa, Marshalltown

When you pull up to a stop sign you must fire a gun out the window to warn horse carriages that you are coming.
Location: United States, Tennessee, Lenior County

The penalty for jumping off a building is death.
Location: United States, New York

No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.
Location: United States, California

UK

general laws

It is illegal to be drunk on Licensed Premises (in a pub or bar).

All English males over the age 14 are to carry out 2 or so hours of longbow practice a week supervised by the local clergy.

If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your commode, you must let them enter

Any boy under the age of 10 may not see a naked manequin.

Liverpool Laws
It is illegal for a woman to be topless in public except as a clerk in a tropical fish store.

Chester Laws
You can only shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside the city walls and after midnight

York Laws
Excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

CANADA
Alberta
It is illegal to pretend to practice witchcraft.

No one in Canada may watch or listen to an encrypted broadcast which is not licensed by the Canadian government. This means using US satellite systems such as "DirecTV" is illegal.

Nova Scotia Laws
When raining, a person may not water his/her lawn.

Quebec
Montreal
"For Sale" signs are not permitted in the windows of moving vehicles.

Ontario
Guelph Laws
The city is classified as a no-pee zone

Toronto Laws
You can't drag a dead horse down Yonge Street on a Sunday.

Oshawa Laws
It's illegal to climb trees

Austrailia

Taxi cabs are required to carry a bale of hay in the trunk.

Under Australian Communications Authority (ACA) regulations, a modem can't pick up on the first ring. If it does the, ACA permit for your modem is invalid and there's a $12,000 fine. -Telecommunications Act 1991.

Victoria Laws
Only licensed electricians may change a light bulb. The fine for not abiding by this law is 10 pounds.

It is illegal to wear hot pink pants after midday Sunday

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09 Apr 2005, 2:52 pm

Epimonandas wrote:

UK
All English males over the age 14 are to carry out 2 or so hours of longbow practice a week supervised by the local clergy.

I wouldn't mind that, as i am an archery fanatic! :wink:

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Alberta
It is illegal to pretend to practice witchcraft.

I guess i'm not allowed there, then...

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30 Apr 2005, 7:10 am

Here's an update on that Florida law; this is from the National Rifle Association (I am a member):

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FLORIDA ONCE AGAIN BREAKS NEW GROUND ON SELF-DEFENSE--
Governor Bush Signs "Castle Doctrine"

Florida, which nearly two decades ago served as the model for the nation's "shall issue" Right-to-Carry laws (now in effect in 38 states), has once again broken new ground in the area of self-defense.

On April 26, with former NRA President Marion P. Hammer looking on, Governor Jeb Bush (R) signed into law a bill that will allow Floridians to forcefully defend themselves against attackers without first having to try to escape. In a ceremony at the State Capitol, Bush signed SB-436-- Florida's "Castle Doctrine"--into law. Sponsored by Senator Durell Peaden (R-2) and Representative Dennis Baxley (R-24), the bill unanimously passed the Senate (39-0) and overwhelmingly passed in the House ( 94-20).

Prior to signing this NRA-backed bill, Governor Bush said, "It's a good, common sense, anti-crime issue."

The "Castle Doctrine" simply says that if a criminal breaks into your home, your occupied vehicle, or your place of business, you may presume he or she is there to do bodily harm and you may use necessary force against him or her.

It also removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be, allowing you to stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

Furthermore, this law provides protection from criminal prosecution and civil litigation for those who defend themselves from criminal attack and prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing their criminal attackers.

Marion P. Hammer, current Executive Director of Unified Sportsmen of Florida, said: "Existing law is on the side of the criminal. The new law is on the side of the law-abiding victim. To suggest that you can't defend yourself against a rapist who's trying to drag you into an alley or against a car jacker who's trying to drag you out of your car is nonsense. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse is important, no matter where you are."

In conclusion, Hammer said, "I want to thank Governor Bush and the bill sponsors, Senator Peaden and Representative Baxley, for supporting this vital measure. This law is about affirming that your home is your castle and, in Florida, you have a right to be absolutely safe inside its walls."

The law will take effect on October 1, 2005.

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