More Fuel To Vaccines Under Fire
draelynn wrote:
This conversation as ventured far from the original article...
I did not say 'they are causing birth defects'. I am growing very weary of constantly having to clarify my words.
I am suggesting caution because there is potential for harm. Not imagined. Not made up. Enough potential that several of our own government agencies are diligently studying this problem as well as many nations across the globe. If there was no potential for harm why would all this research be underway?
I'm not suggesting mass hysteria.
Why is my preference for caution so repugnant?
I did not say 'they are causing birth defects'. I am growing very weary of constantly having to clarify my words.
I am suggesting caution because there is potential for harm. Not imagined. Not made up. Enough potential that several of our own government agencies are diligently studying this problem as well as many nations across the globe. If there was no potential for harm why would all this research be underway?
I'm not suggesting mass hysteria.
Why is my preference for caution so repugnant?
I am a scientist. The entire point of science to is question and clarify. In these cases I like to ask questions so I can understand the argument better and try to come up with a good, meaningful response. It is like Aristotle in Plato's works. It is the way I like to conduct a scientific conversation mostly.
'Preference for caution' brings up bad memories elsewhere from what I read on blogs and such. I think that has blinded me a little. I was just making the argument that the chances someone can get harmed are so small, it is like homeopathy with the drop of medicine in the ocean of dilutions. I do not understand how this can harm someone, that is all.
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HerrGrimm wrote:
I am a scientist. The entire point of science to is question and clarify. In these cases I like to ask questions so I can understand the argument better and try to come up with a good, meaningful response. It is like Aristotle in Plato's works. It is the way I like to conduct a scientific conversation mostly.
'Preference for caution' brings up bad memories elsewhere from what I read on blogs and such. I think that has blinded me a little. I was just making the argument that the chances someone can get harmed are so small, it is like homeopathy with the drop of medicine in the ocean of dilutions. I do not understand how this can harm someone, that is all.
'Preference for caution' brings up bad memories elsewhere from what I read on blogs and such. I think that has blinded me a little. I was just making the argument that the chances someone can get harmed are so small, it is like homeopathy with the drop of medicine in the ocean of dilutions. I do not understand how this can harm someone, that is all.
I am not a scientist so technically we are speaking two different languages...
Being that I am in a very polluted region, I can state (and can probably find the report if I dig hard enough) that there are no less than twenty pharmaceuticals in the Philadelphia regions water supply. Psyche meds, heart meds, hormones and steriods... some at levels higher than 'trace amounts'. Now pile that on top of the normally occuring pollution of heavy and dissolved metals thanks to a crumbling city infrastructure and centuries of industrial abuse. Philly is bad. You can not only see how bad the water is out of the tap but smell it and taste it. A glass of tap water left to sit for a day collects a thin physical layer of - gunk - at the bottom of the glass.
And people mix baby formula with that.
I am not prone to bursts of 'hysterical' caution - not only is the science just beginning to assess the real extent and possible effects but it is being actively supressed to prevent wide spread public panic. If wildlife is beginning to show dramatic effects - I'd say intersexed fish is pretty dramatic - it is not inappropriate to act with caution until the true human impact can be determined.
Honestly - it does not concern you at all that there are potentially pharmaceuticals in your drinking water and no one is responsible for telling you which ones or at what concentration?
draelynn wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I am a scientist. The entire point of science to is question and clarify. In these cases I like to ask questions so I can understand the argument better and try to come up with a good, meaningful response. It is like Aristotle in Plato's works. It is the way I like to conduct a scientific conversation mostly.
'Preference for caution' brings up bad memories elsewhere from what I read on blogs and such. I think that has blinded me a little. I was just making the argument that the chances someone can get harmed are so small, it is like homeopathy with the drop of medicine in the ocean of dilutions. I do not understand how this can harm someone, that is all.
'Preference for caution' brings up bad memories elsewhere from what I read on blogs and such. I think that has blinded me a little. I was just making the argument that the chances someone can get harmed are so small, it is like homeopathy with the drop of medicine in the ocean of dilutions. I do not understand how this can harm someone, that is all.
I am not a scientist so technically we are speaking two different languages...
Being that I am in a very polluted region, I can state (and can probably find the report if I dig hard enough) that there are no less than twenty pharmaceuticals in the Philadelphia regions water supply. Psyche meds, heart meds, hormones and steriods... some at levels higher than 'trace amounts'. Now pile that on top of the normally occuring pollution of heavy and dissolved metals thanks to a crumbling city infrastructure and centuries of industrial abuse. Philly is bad. You can not only see how bad the water is out of the tap but smell it and taste it. A glass of tap water left to sit for a day collects a thin physical layer of - gunk - at the bottom of the glass.
And people mix baby formula with that.
I am not prone to bursts of 'hysterical' caution - not only is the science just beginning to assess the real extent and possible effects but it is being actively supressed to prevent wide spread public panic. If wildlife is beginning to show dramatic effects - I'd say intersexed fish is pretty dramatic - it is not inappropriate to act with caution until the true human impact can be determined.
Honestly - it does not concern you at all that there are potentially pharmaceuticals in your drinking water and no one is responsible for telling you which ones or at what concentration?
I used to live in the area. Who drinks that water anyway? I do not know anyone in my family who lived there to even recommend drinking that stuff. Between whatever crap is in it and the large amount of whatever they put in it to sanitize that stuff. Pharmaceuticals are the least of my concern when I think about that stuff. For all you know the pharmaceuticals could make the water better by fighting microbes (just kidding). What was worse was when they did an expose of the pretzel vendors...
Honestly, no, not pharmaceuticals. In the case of Philadelphia water, there is A WHOLE LOT of stuff in larger concentrations than pharmaceuticals that I would be concerned about. They are so small an amount that I do not think anything will happen.
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