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07 Feb 2007, 3:23 am
Saepius wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
way to try and cut down the idea of libertarianism as just some dodge to avoid taxes.
you wasted 3 paragraphs on saying something ignorant...way to go.
libertarianism is not about the avoidance of taxes but rather the minimizing of government spending and more emphasis on the liberties and rights of the individual and the rights of the state to decide most governing matters. similar to how the states have been trying to manage gay marriage (until the federal government intervenes in a state that's allowed it).
libertarianism is also about a person's responsibilities to one's self. the government shouldn't have to tell every person in the world that they have to wear a seatbelt when they ride in a car...if you don't wear a seatbelt, you know what the consequence is and have earned it if you're too stupid to help youself. no one needs big brother...they ask for it because they're lazy but paranoid. it's rather disturbing that people ask for it...but it happens. libertarians are against the big brother or parenting state that does everything and forces you to do what it sees as right.
you wasted 3 paragraphs on saying something ignorant...way to go.
libertarianism is not about the avoidance of taxes but rather the minimizing of government spending and more emphasis on the liberties and rights of the individual and the rights of the state to decide most governing matters. similar to how the states have been trying to manage gay marriage (until the federal government intervenes in a state that's allowed it).
libertarianism is also about a person's responsibilities to one's self. the government shouldn't have to tell every person in the world that they have to wear a seatbelt when they ride in a car...if you don't wear a seatbelt, you know what the consequence is and have earned it if you're too stupid to help youself. no one needs big brother...they ask for it because they're lazy but paranoid. it's rather disturbing that people ask for it...but it happens. libertarians are against the big brother or parenting state that does everything and forces you to do what it sees as right.
Yes, I am well aware that there is more to libertarianism than the opposition to taxation. I do, however, continute to maintain that it is primarily the taxation element that appeals to its standard bearers. I was not claiming that libertarianism concerns itself only with taxation, but as that is its most distinctive feature (and the most obvious feature that separates it from classical liberalism) and also in many ways the most abhorrent, I was explaining why the opposition to taxation is such a flawed philosophy.
But as regards libertarianism as a whole, I believe it to be a selfish and morally repugnant ideology. Yes, we are all responsible to ourselves but libertarianism denies the fact that we are also responsible to one another. We cannot live in a society of other beings and be responsible only to ourselves.
you're just talking taxes because you got your W2 form back today too.
/i BETTER get my tax money back
07 Feb 2007, 3:26 am
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07 Feb 2007, 6:07 am
skafather84,
What is a W2 form?
I think that one of the problems here is that the political questions and groupings are very different in different countries. For one, I suspect that we are using 'liberal' to mean different things. Here in Australia, liberals, libertarians and conservatives are all grouped on the right and generally all belong to the Liberal Party (with a handful of Christian right zealots in Family First), whereas the left is represented mostly by Labor, with some in the Greens and the Democrats.
On the question of social issues (abortion, drugs, etc.) most on the left and a few on the right would probably agree with you. I guess that in Australia it is a bit different from the US, as we tend to take many of these freedoms for granted... so in Australia libertarians generally do talk only about tax 
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07 Feb 2007, 6:18 am
Saepius wrote:
skafather84,
What is a W2 form?
I think that one of the problems here is that the political questions and groupings are very different in different countries. For one, I suspect that we are using 'liberal' to mean different things. Here in Australia, liberals, libertarians and conservatives are all grouped on the right and generally all belong to the Liberal Party (with a handful of Christian right zealots in Family First), whereas the left is represented mostly by Labor, with some in the Greens and the Democrats.
On the question of social issues (abortion, drugs, etc.) most on the left and a few on the right would probably agree with you. I guess that in Australia it is a bit different from the US, as we tend to take many of these freedoms for granted... so in Australia libertarians generally do talk only about tax.
What is a W2 form?
I think that one of the problems here is that the political questions and groupings are very different in different countries. For one, I suspect that we are using 'liberal' to mean different things. Here in Australia, liberals, libertarians and conservatives are all grouped on the right and generally all belong to the Liberal Party (with a handful of Christian right zealots in Family First), whereas the left is represented mostly by Labor, with some in the Greens and the Democrats.
On the question of social issues (abortion, drugs, etc.) most on the left and a few on the right would probably agree with you. I guess that in Australia it is a bit different from the US, as we tend to take many of these freedoms for granted... so in Australia libertarians generally do talk only about tax
.yeah....way different.
w2 has to do with income tax. how much money you made, how much tax was taken out....then you either do your tax returns yourself or you take it to a professional to get it done. i'm hoping for a full, or very close to full tax return. mainly because i'm on the poor side and 20% of poor is a little money for the government but a lot of money away from me.
as far as the differences in countires...i have no clue what goes on over in oz. the political structure reminds me a little more of the brittish system....at least with regards to the political parties and interaction.
libertarians here generally tend to be all over the place...some are conservative, some are liberal. the main message is against a large federal government, less government interference in people's personal lives, and more personal accountability.
07 Feb 2007, 2:27 pm
