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Cephalod
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08 Feb 2013, 5:58 pm

Hi Guys,

I recently felt pretty bad and wrote a rant in this forum. I made the mistake of not thorougly thinking about what I wrote in that very moment*, this lead me to write a line making a rethorical threat of homicide.

In the first lines of my rant I stated that is a pure rant.

7 Minutes later I made a follow-up post in which I stated clearly that I was just venting and that there never was nor never will be any real threat but I was just venting my frustration. I reasoned that the idea of making such a threat is absolutly contrary to my core values and morals.

A member of this forum posted in "Moderators: Attention" that I made a threat of "mass homicide", a moderator thankfully acted with common sense and realized that I made a rant and that there, in his opinion, isn't a real threat.

The next day I posted in "Moderator: Attention" that I thanked the moderator and that I was just venting my frustration and that there never was nor will be any threat, immaginary or real.

The other day I informed the moderator that the very moment I wrote my rant I wasn't aware that anyone could take my words as a threat because the idea of a such threat real is just absurd to me, I simply didn't image anyone taking my threat for real because even the idea making such a threat true is just abhorrent to me.

I made it clear several times that it was never my intention to worry anyone, and I apologized for causing any those worries ever so often.

A worried citizen in the US informed the autorities, and this went across the big pond to our autorities here. Today I got I a subpoena from our local police about making a threat here, they interviewed me for more than two hours.

While the police officers here are convinced that the words in my rant didn't have any real meaning, now this whole issue is going to the public prosecutor's office.


My question here: if a rant in The Haven has these consequences, even making it more than clear that this is a pure rant, how can I trust this community anymore?


* It was a rant, in the first place. As per my understanding, a rant is NOT required to be a well thought through, but maybe I'm wrong here?



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08 Feb 2013, 6:14 pm

Wow! You just gave me chills! How the authorities found you is surprising. Let that be a lesson to me. I guess if they really considered it serious, in light of all the threats and bombings going on in the world, I suspect they can get a judge to subpoena information from this and any other social site. It'd be nice if these sites have a disclaimer, though. It should say something like, "Your posts are subject to review and, if deemed potentially dangerous, will be reported to your local jurisdiction."



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08 Feb 2013, 6:21 pm

Well, I'm not living in a foxhole, I'm not that hard to find ;)

If I'd try to stay "anonymous", it could have been done easily. But I never thought it would be neccessary here, in the first place.

FYI: the authorities here didn't even ask me to turn over my gun to them (yet), they only asked me if I would if they'd ask me. Told them I would ofc, if only to be back living in peace myself w/o any more "official" hassle. But now, this whole incident, originating from an overworried citizen in the US, is going the official way, next station: public prosecutor's office.

Well, what can I say here but: ty overworried citizen?



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08 Feb 2013, 6:48 pm

"Your posts are subject to review and, if deemed potentially dangerous, will be reported to your local jurisdiction."

yep just my thought...here is what I posted in the moderator forum to get there with a disclaimer:

"Okay, I have to get rid of something here, because it just angers me a lot and I want the moderators to take notice of it:
Recently my husband posted in the haven (!) a rant clearly marked as such in the first sentence. He was frustrated about several situations where NTs just did not understand or betray the very moral standards he tries to hold up although it is not easy in the times we live and he closed the clearly marked rant with a question born out of his frustration asking for reason to keep him from wishing to just go out and get rid of those NTs. This was clearly and from the beginning marked as a rant and not as a thread. And after getting rid of the frustration my husband posted 7(!) minutes later again that this was a rant and just to blow of steam in a supposedly protected environment exactly ment for such situations, where someone is frustrated and in search for support. He nevertheless asked the moderator than to eliminate the thread just to prevent miss judgements and miss understandings. But alas to late.
His trust in this "Haven" and search for support was betrayed in the worst way as a "irony on: loving and concerned citizen - irony off" had nothing else to do than to inform first the moderators - which is okay - but furthermore to inform the police about this by him/her wrongly so perceived "threat" calling it a "mass homicide threat" despite it being marked as a rant from the beginning.
Nicely done, dear concerned citizen, nicely done! You achieved really something great with this, you betrayed a fellow aspies trust in the worst way and furthermore got a machinery running which got him invited to the police today and marked as a criminal (and this having done nothing else than being upset about something and ranting in a supposedly supportive forum). On records now, at least a defective being, not only in his living area (we are living in a small village, where everybody knows everybody - thanks again) but to the capital of our country and to the USA too.
Such a nice treat especially from a fellow aspie and especially without contacting him directly, asking and giving support - no not you, whoever you are - but destroying the trust he had into the community of fellow aspies, denigrating him in your and our country for nothing. Seems it is not enough to have a more difficult way through life being an aspie in an NTs world, no there are definitely fellow citizens who can heighten that burden like you - who ever you are - did.
So I would like to ask you moderators to post a warning into the haven, that you can't speak your mind there openly but you have to watch your every word, else it might happen to you, like it did to my husband.
Thank you
Thank you for this unbelievable friendly gift you gave to us! I do hope nobody ever does this ever to you!"



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08 Feb 2013, 6:53 pm

Wow! Thanks for posting this. I guess these days the authorities have to take such threats seriously. The Haven is not a haven for everything. I hope things go okay for you with the prosecutor.



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08 Feb 2013, 6:59 pm

Sorry this happened to you, man. Hope it goes well.

As for mermaidine, I don't think that post was particularly diplomatic or fair of you. Someone was concerned. They were scared. Your liberal use of sarcasm just comes off as aggressive and reactive and in turn, distracts from the message you are trying to convey. I understand that you and your husband feel slighted and taken advantage of during a moment of vulnerability, but please at least try and acknowledge the other party's feelings.

On that note, I think they were wrong to take it as far as they did, and I hope they realize what exactly their general ignorance of the situation has led to.


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08 Feb 2013, 7:03 pm

Thanks :)

Naturally I hope this too, and if the authorities insist to have the gun, I'll give it to them ofc, even while it is a valued heirloom of my father in law.

Still my question remains: Trust among fellow Aspies? Not even in "The Haven"?

I won't give up standing up for what is right, human rights, civil liberties, you name it.

But posting anything here in the future? Trust?

Never would have thought it would happen, of all the places, but here, but it happened...

I feel betrayed



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08 Feb 2013, 7:07 pm

Yugiri,

Please take note that my wife is an NT, ok?

"We" Aspies might to be reason-driven 99% of the time, but as you know there is this "1%" when I made my rant.

And if even an NT is upset, what does that say to you?


P.S.: glad you're back :)



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08 Feb 2013, 7:12 pm

to Ann2011: yes the authorities have to take threads seriously, but if something is clearly marked as rant and not as threat and someone takes action like he or she did in this case it is denigrating in my book, no more no less. And if the haven is not a haven for everything than there has to be a disclaimer telling exactly that and warning you before stuff like that happens to you unwarrented!



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08 Feb 2013, 7:19 pm

mermaidine wrote:
to Ann2011: yes the authorities have to take threads seriously, but if something is clearly marked as rant and not as threat and someone takes action like he or she did in this case it is denigrating in my book, no more no less. And if the haven is not a haven for everything than there has to be a disclaimer telling exactly that and warning you before stuff like that happens to you unwarrented!

I won't address the issue of a disclaimer as this is for the administrators to determine. With regard to trust; WP is a public forum which means that if you say something that scares people, there may be consequences.



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08 Feb 2013, 7:24 pm

an to Yuugiri: Yep you are right, that post wasn't particularly diplomatic or fair of me, neither was what happened to my husband. And I do write my mind, when I am upset and it shows as you noted so clearly...and no, I am not willing to acknowledge the other party's feelings nor acknowledge whatever reason he or she might have had to act like this - as he or she did not even bother to tell it or post it in the forum so all I might do is speculate about a reason or feeling involved. But I do not take it lightly if somebody acts before even reading properly what was written in the thread from the beginning or thinking of what consequences his or her acting has for the one denigrated to the police unwarranted.



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08 Feb 2013, 7:24 pm

Lesson learned, I'll never post anything not "public compatible".

Good bye Haven...

Note to self: never trust anyone, not even you fellow Aspies. Trust always gets betrayed.



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08 Feb 2013, 7:31 pm

Cephalod wrote:
Please take note that my wife is an NT, ok?

"We" Aspies might to be reason-driven 99% of the time, but as you know there is this "1%" when I made my rant.

And if even an NT is upset, what does that say to you?

Just offering a different perspective. I tend towards not laying the blame squarely at any one person's feet. Then again, I'm not as emotionally involved as you or your wife, so there's also that.


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08 Feb 2013, 7:35 pm

Cephalod wrote:
Note to self: never trust anyone, not even you fellow Aspies. Trust always gets betrayed.

If that's truly what you've decided to take from this experience, then I'm very sorry. It's hard, I get it, but now you're painting the whole community with one broad brush, and effectively rejecting us all.


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08 Feb 2013, 7:46 pm

What do you expect then?

One person, my perception here, did overreact. I do not know who. Seriously, how do you expect me to trust anyone here then anymore?

If even posting a rant, clearly marked as rant, even posting a "disclaimer" a few minutes later, leads to the me beeing subpoenaed?

You tell me...



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08 Feb 2013, 7:47 pm

Ann 2011 wrote: "With regard to trust; WP is a public forum which means that if you say something that scares people, there may be consequences."

I am aware of that, but even being an older semester I am not willing to get used to a mentality of "I am scared of something you SAY, so I do not ask you directly what you ment or verify my angst is based on facts - no I am ducking behind my table and call wolf and secretly push the panic button" I might be delusional but I still hope for a better interaction between grown ups who speak which each other and verify their perception of a communication before taking irreversible actions on others.