DSM change justified due to pandemic of AS misdiagnosis
Firstly, thanks to all who have participated in this thread for your well thought out opinions and informative posts. I would like to reply to many of these posts individually, however for now I will answer in a more generalized way as I'm short on time due to studying for exams.
Firstly, I do have a tendency to engage in black and white thinking. I try to regulate this as best I can. This is not because I have sinister underlying motives. Black and white thinking is a trait associated with Aspergers.
Aspergers has changed. I think other people diagnosed 10 or more years ago like myself (13 years ago) would agree with me. This does not mean I believe I am a member of some exclusive/elitist club. Ironically, this accusation is a good example of the change I speak of. 10+ years ago aspergers was not synonymous with "club", the whole 'Aspie culture' just didn't exist. When I was growing up, my family, myself, my teachers, everyone we knew, nobody had ever heard of Asperger's syndrome. My mother had taken me to see specialists since I was 4 but nobody diagnosed me with it until I was 12 and a substitute teacher for my class told my mother that traits I had reminded her of a syndrome described in a book a friend of hers had. In fact, I think I was 6 when the condition was first made official in the new DSM.
I'm digressing here but where I'm going with this is that things have changed dramatically in the last handful of years, and I don't think anybody can contest this. These days it's hard to find anybody who hasn't heard of aspergers, and an entire culture/group mentality has sprung up around it. For many, aspergers has become a badge of pride. Some even go so far as to see the world through an "us" (aspies) vs "them" (NTs) perspective (Oh yes, I personally know people who have gone down this route and its a slippery slope).
This leads me to two questions:
1. is this a good thing? With the exception of the "us" vs "them" and aspies are superior elitist mentality, I argue yes. People at the autistic end of normal will by their very nature feel misunderstood and like they don't quite belong anywhere. Anything that gives then a sense of identity and belonging is therefore a good thing. I'm not talking about borderline cases here, I'm talking about normal people with autistic traits. Which brings me to my second question:
2. Is it appropriate for these people to be self or officially diagnosed with an actual psychiatric disorder (Aspergers Syndrome as defined in the DSM IV)? I argue no.
This results in a conundrum. Consolidating Aspergers with autism and making diagnostic criteria stricter in the new DSM will partially solve this problem by reducing misdiagnosis (a study found 75% of people currently diagnosed with ASD would no longer meet diagnostic criteria under the new system). However, multitudes of vulnerable people are left with an identity crisis. My proposed solution to this problem is to actually create a new "label" of being
on the spectrum that is officially recognized by psychiatrists while not being considered a psychiatric disorder. People with the "label" would not be considered to have serious functioning problems in daily life, but would still be recognized as being on the spectrum. Thus they would be able to gain insight and self understanding, and also be easily able to be upgraded into the psychiatric disorder classification if their severity worsened and they started having serious problems. This is because they already would have gone through the diagnostic process. Also, people such as myself who have significantly improved over time due to learning/developing better coping skills/whatever, and are not currently and have not for a considerable while been (not counting people whose functioning fluctuates fairly frequently - they would still be considered as having a disorder) experiencing serious impairment could then be "downgraded" to being recognized as being "on the spectrum" but not suffering to the degree where it constitutes a clinical disorder.
In terms of borderline cases, I don't have a clear position as I agree that it's very difficult to define what constitutes clinically significant distress or impairment in functioning (this discussion has been directed towards more clear cut disordered vs non-disordered people).
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Glider18 I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint about the importance of a positive outlook. However, you are not in the category of people I refer to (misdiagnosed people with autistic traits who are not clinically impaired in daily functioning).
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sunshower – Count me as someone who had not heard about Aspergers until just last year (at age 49). Which is odd, since I live in Silicon Valley – a place supposedly filled with Aspies.
Believe it or not, I have worked with Engineers my entire life and have yet to meet another Aspie (well, at least someone who has identified himself/herself as an Aspie).
I think the “culture/group mentality” is simply a manifestation of an interconnected world we live in, that allows “like” people to virtually congregate.
Most definitely, there are levels of impairment. And, some people are able to achieve escape velocity and actually accomplish great things, despite the impairment (think Temple Grandin).
By claiming they have Aspergers (a non-treatable neurological disorder), said person does not need to take any action. It’s almost like “the easy way out”. When, in fact, said person probably should be doing something to treat the situation (medication, therapy, etc.)
Schizoid is no more treatable than Aspergers is.
If you're talking about low to medium functioning, many of them will show impairment in any context. But for most HFAs, it is situational.
I had trouble making friends in school, and was bullied a lot. I've also had trouble making friends in university, though I'm no longer being bullied.
However, in several summer camps focused on special interests of mine, I've made friends with no difficulty, and even become one of the more popular kids in one case. Does that invalidate my claim that I have social impairment, because in certain specific social settings I can be just as successful as an NT? Or should my social skills be judged in more than one context?
What if, in the future, with no change in my actual social skills, I managed to arrange my life so virtually all my social interactions were of the types I do best at? Would I be cured then?
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I think the issue here is the difference between proposing such a group of people exists (questionable, not yet demonstrated) and then claiming that specific people or members of a particular group fit into this category. From reading autobiographical material, blogs, and this forum, I have come across autistic people with university degrees, with long-term relationships, careers, children, etc. who are all over the spectrum. It's not really possible or desirable to take a few facts about a person and use those facts to determine everything about them.
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I had trouble making friends in school, and was bullied a lot. I've also had trouble making friends in university, though I'm no longer being bullied.
However, in several summer camps focused on special interests of mine, I've made friends with no difficulty, and even become one of the more popular kids in one case. Does that invalidate my claim that I have social impairment, because in certain specific social settings I can be just as successful as an NT? Or should my social skills be judged in more than one context?
What if, in the future, with no change in my actual social skills, I managed to arrange my life so virtually all my social interactions were of the types I do best at? Would I be cured then?
I think it'd be rare for people to be able to do this. This would be the exception to the rule. If you worked in a special needs field and had friends and a husband with special needs ect maybe you wouldn't be impaired. In that case though you still might have to disclose at work and ask for some specific accommodations. That is why I kept saying impairment WITHOUT support or accommodation. One such accommodation would simply be modifying the requirements for the job. I had a summer job at the Geneva Centre for autism. I disclosed my diagnosis and there was money specifically for them (from the government) to hire someone with a disability for the summer. I had some accommodations but the main one was that they hired me and kept me even though I didn't have "excellent communication and interpersonal skills" which they listed as required for this job. They just had me focus on aspects of the job that I could do well and certain tasks they needed doing (that would be part of this job but that I couldn't handle) they got someone else to do. Now, I would hope a qualified professional would realize that doing this job without impairment would be different from being a doctor for 30 years in a regular busy hospital with no accommodations and being unimpaired, for example. There are some obvious situational exceptions but I think most HFA people in most situations in the society we currently live in would show impairment if they had severe enough symptoms. I think the main exception would be working with other people with disabilities in companies that specifically try to create jobs for people with disabilities and help those people maintain their jobs. In terms of relationships , again relationships with people who are also disabled could be one exception and another could be relationships with people much younger than you who are at at the same emotional level ect. This would be taken into consideration though, that someone couldn't hold down any job besides one in a place like that described above (of which there are few) or only had relationships with people who were younger than them , for example, or had disabilities and couldn't make friends with their typical peers when they did try to.
As to social skills being judged in many contexts ,they are , impairment is supposed to be across multiple contexts. This means if you're fine at work but have huge problems at home , at school and with friends or you have a great marriage but you can't make friends, can't keep a job ect. you're still impaired across multiple contexts. A couple things or one thing is going smoothly with no support because of situational factors but you're impaired in most contexts, in most aspects of your life. It might not be rare to be able to arrange your life so that one of these things are working well for you but for you to arrange it so they're all going well and maintain this would be very rare IMO.
EDIT TO ADD-Sorry if I don't respond back for awhile. I know people will argue a lot with me and my defence of the OP's controversial opinions. I'm going to read my novel which I didn't do enough of today and want to finish. I'll come back late tomorrow night or the next day.
Clearly, some Aspies are able to cope better than others. As Verdandi mentioned, there are numerous Aspies who have found success in their lives.
OK, maybe their symptoms are not as severe. Nevertheless, some Aspies are able to rise up and put themselves into a position where they can be successful in life (by focusing on their strengths and, to paraphrase Ettina, putting themselves into situations where they will do well). To no surprise, this is the same strategy that NTs take.
I think all of us (me included) need to get over this label. Who cares if it's being over utilized. I will quote Temple Grandin from her latest book (“The Autistic Brain”):
I think all of us can learn something positive from Dr. Grandin.
I believe that diagnosing Aspergers based on impairments in day to day functioning has the effect of lowering the average IQ of those diagnosed with Aspergers.
This instinctively seems wrong to me, as Aspergers is generally associated with high intellegence in the public understanding. (But maybe many of you will argue that this is an out-of-date stereotype with has little relevence to actual sufferers. )
(To explain why diagnosing Aspergers based on impairments results in a lowering of IQ among those diagnosed.
The ability to overcome lifes challenges depends on 2 factors:
1. The severity of those challenges (dependent on Aspergers)
2. The ability to find ways to overcome these challenges (NOT in my view dependent on Aspergers, but rather, I suspect,correlates strongly with general intelligence.)
I.e people who are good at 2 will be underepresented among those diagnosed.
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Although you have come at it from another angle than I was thinking of, this is a good point that ties in with what I said about masking.
Intelligence varies between individuals with Asperger's. There is a very good chance that those at the higher IQ level will find creative and uniques ways of helping them to get through day-to-day, this isn't the same as saying they are coping or not suffering marked impairments. The more intellectual someone is, the more likely they are to be under pressure to perform a certain way. I would be interested to know if those are also the types who suffer more co-morbid mental health issues as a result and end up on medication for years because of trying so desperately to hide their traits and conform whilst knowing that they are so different and it's such a struggle.
Speaking of conformation, I, like other Aspies on here, do not stim in public (but do so all the time at home), this is a type of conforming and masking. So going by sunshower's and daydreamer84's criteria, anyone who is able to hide their AS sufficiently, no matter what torment or hell they are going through inside, is a fake Aspie that doesn't "deserve" a diagnosis.
There is a saying, walk a mile in another man's shoes before you judge him. In other words, stop interpreting what "significant impairment" means by your own standards, until you have tried on the shoes of all other Aspies and walked a mile in them, you have no idea.
I will just have to put down the narrow, restricted and B&W thinking of the aforementioned posters to their AS. It makes me kind of relieved that the clinicians and people who set the criteria are NTs who are far less likely to get stuck in one narrow way of seeing things.
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Ettina - You are correct. My post was poorly written.
What I meant to say is that there are a whole bunch of conditions with behavioral symptoms that are similar to Aspergers. I suspect that there are a number of people who have one or more Asperger-like symptoms, then learn about Aspergers (without studying other conditions), then read a couple of articles, then take an online test and then decide they have it. And, then use it as an excuse for how they behave.
Why do I suspect this? First, some people have a need to explain things (e.g. behavior). Second, some people are lazy. They tend to “take the easy way out” by self-diagnosing with the first thing they come across.
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I await with bated breath, the evidence of this substantial group of people, responsible for a plethora of misdiagnoses or erroneous self-diagnoses (and which was so widespread that it had the result of forcing the revised DSM) .
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For those of you who have known me here at the WP and the way I think about having autism, let me relate some things about me:
*social situations cause me extreme distress, I feel so awkward at social events I feel it would easier to float an anvil in a lake, (at one social event I attended years ago I felt so awkward that I got physically ill and began breaking out in hives), I have had to find darkened rooms away from the crowd during some social events. This evening for example, I had to go to a family member's b-day party and her mother's retirement party combined event---I excused myself after awhile to get to a private area for about a half hour just to regain myself so I could return to the party. As a child I hated any kind of social events with classmates---I hated it!! !
*sensory issues---yeah, let me tell you about those. In a restaurant for example, if we (family) are seated next to a sunny window, my wife automatically speaks up for me and asks the waiter or waitress for a table away from bright lights. If a place is noisy, I can't take it---I will go into meltdown. I don't like being touched by people other than my immediate family. This evening at that party, several people patted me on the shoulder and it felt like a gun blasting through me---aghhhhh!! !! ! DON'T TOUCH ME!! !! !! !! !
*friends??? hmmm...I don't guess I have any. I speak to my neighbor maybe once a month, and our houses are close together. In school I could manage one close friend, but when there was more than one friend around---awkward!! ! And as I said, today, no friends.
*taking things literally---yeah, all the time. I get lost in most movies because of this.
*depressed---yeah, I've just been going through a bout of it.
*my job---I've been screwed like most of you. I got pushed into spending $7000 to get schooling for another position because the administration yanked me out of teaching English. Then, after that new job, and $7000 in the hole, I got screwed again. They took that job away and now I work in a position that I....well...I'd rather not talk about it.
*rules follower---I get extremely irritated at people on the road (for example) that speed or don't come to complete stops at stop signs that it makes my entire family nervous at me ranting about it behind the wheel.
*eye contact---I've been to therapy to try to learn how
*empathy---I feel for others, I just have difficulty expressing it---and I have been to therapy to try to learn how to show it
Gee, I could go on and on and on...but yeah, I have plenty of challenges. Those were just a few. Trust me...I can't even throw garbage out without inspecting it because of fear that something might have gotten thrown away that shouldn't have---you know, attention to detail---afraid of doing something wrong.
But...................I could focus on those things to the point of making myself miserable. But, I try to focus on the positives and post those things here on WP. I am a talent savant in music. I can memorize statistics to certain things that interest me. And I love my special intense interests---they make life fun.
*oh, did I forget bullying? Let's see, maybe I would have been bullied more if I hadn't been 6'1" in 7th grade and my father hadn't been a respected teacher in the same school---students were afraid of him, so most wouldn't have picked on me (his son). But---I did get my trombone smashed, I did get my shop project (chess set) stolen (though later recovered), I did get set on the water fountain, I was a passenger in an older student's car who decided to drive ultra fast to bully me and scare me, I was bullied by students when I began teaching, I was...yeah...I could go on. But I don't want to dwell on that anymore.
To the OP. Yes, a lot of us seem to really emphasize the positives, but I think you will find most of us that do have also had some major issues. As for the ones who say they have never had any issues, I can't judge them.
A beautiful message. Thanks for sharing. I am so sorry about the difficulty and suffering you have gone though and are going through, but the amazing part to me about you is that the optimistic spirit flowers and the green shoot of new flowers is ever breaking through the earth.
I can relate to this kind of behavior---my main version is looking for something seemingly important such as a component for a particular crafts project that has become lost in my home and which I compulsively need to find no matter what even though I could simply do a different project and never have to do that project at all. A psychological interpretation might be looking for a lost part of oneself that one fears might get thrown away, or even that the object one is looking for represents oneself..
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I don't WANT it to be Asperger's or anyplace at all on the autistic spectrum. I've spent my whole life believing there's "nothing different/wrong with me" yet wondering what the hell was in fact wrong with me, and suffering serious consequences of exhaustion and meltdown for even the effort of trying to fit in. Who wants to think that they are anything but "just like everyone else"?
I was normal, I inwardly screamed to myself up until very recently --- except for all the CRAP I've lived my whole life going through, and never feeling "normal" at all.....which I couldn't explain either at the time or even when I was sitting here denying that what I was hearing about spectrum disorders was in fact me.
It has taken me YEARS to stop denying that every time I ran into something to do with Asperger's that all the bells of recognition went off in my head. I fought and fought to deny to myself that this has ANYTHING to do with me.
So when I read your OP, it felt like a slap in the face. This isn't a club I even wanted to join, thanks. I'm on this website now because the very idea is upsetting to me and I don't know what to do or what to think.
All this rings BIG bells for me, well said and not at all ranty!
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Lowering compared to what? To the average IQ of normal people? To the average IQ of people with other ASDs? To the average IQ of the people that could be diagnosed with Asperger's in an alternate universe where a diagnosis of AS did not require impairments in day to day functioning?
.....I can relate to this kind of behavior---my main version is looking for something seemingly important such as a component for a particular crafts project that has become lost in my home and which I compulsively need to find no matter what even though I could simply do a different project and never have to do that project at all. A psychological interpretation might be looking for a lost part of oneself that one fears might get thrown away, or even that the object one is looking for represents oneself..
Thank you so much for these kind words Littlebee. I truly appreciate them. You have given me something to think about in your words about looking for a lost part of oneself or that the object might be oneself. That does make sense.
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