8-Year-Old Fires Assault Rifle In South Carolina

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06 May 2014, 1:25 am

I just think it's dumb that they called it an "assault rifle". I mean c'mon, it's a semi-automatic .22, not a fricking M-16 or AK-47.



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06 May 2014, 1:38 am

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You really have to be careful about that word "assault" rifle when bringing up this topic. That kid could have fired every round that rifle is capable of and hit another human being with every round and the first thing you are going to get from the gun side (you have to be careful about every way you use the word "gun" they are so sensitive) and right away they are going to come at you with the "it is not an assault gun," completely bypassing the injured or dead. Luckily, this time, there were no injured or dead.


Yeah, we're big on the whole 'words mean things' kick; we're funny that way.


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06 May 2014, 7:44 am

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I just think it's dumb that they called it an "assault rifle". I mean c'mon, it's a semi-automatic .22, not a fricking M-16 or AK-47.


And they're pretty in pink ...

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06 May 2014, 9:35 am

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The American left will never understand the simple concepts of peace through strength or weakness invites attack.
Thier idea of peace is through disarmament (one sided disarmament, that is) and anti-bullying legislation.
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I'm not a part of the American left, I'm a part of the Canadian left. :P lololol...

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I don't agree with disarming civilians who have proven that they can competently handle firearms however.

1. Mass disarmament would soon turn into literally a bloody mess for the disarmers and the disarmees.
2. Having to prove competence is too far into infringement. Before we go there, it's not like driving a car which is a licensed privilege and not a right.

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In fact, I would argue that there should be a Canadian equivalent to the Second Amendment, except that our firearms laws do a pretty good job of keeping guns out of the hands of idiots, while not making life too hard on people who can handle guns responsibly.

If an idiot in Canada wants a gun he can get one. You have a black market and illegal gun trade just like other countries.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm#c

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That said, if the laws could be tweaked a bit so that someone could own an AK as a "range toy", then it would be better.

Don't hold your breath for the AK. An AR-15 is designated as a restricted firearm but still obtainable.

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06 May 2014, 2:42 pm

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06 May 2014, 8:40 pm

Raptor wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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The American left will never understand the simple concepts of peace through strength or weakness invites attack.
Thier idea of peace is through disarmament (one sided disarmament, that is) and anti-bullying legislation.
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I'm not a part of the American left, I'm a part of the Canadian left. :P lololol...

Whatev........

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I don't agree with disarming civilians who have proven that they can competently handle firearms however.

1. Mass disarmament would soon turn into literally a bloody mess for the disarmers and the disarmees.
2. Having to prove competence is too far into infringement. Before we go there, it's not like driving a car which is a licensed privilege and not a right.

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In fact, I would argue that there should be a Canadian equivalent to the Second Amendment, except that our firearms laws do a pretty good job of keeping guns out of the hands of idiots, while not making life too hard on people who can handle guns responsibly.

If an idiot in Canada wants a gun he can get one. You have a black market and illegal gun trade just like other countries.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm#c

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That said, if the laws could be tweaked a bit so that someone could own an AK as a "range toy", then it would be better.

Don't hold your breath for the AK. An AR-15 is designated as a restricted firearm but still obtainable.

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Yeah, describing myself as a left-winger is a bit... odd. I have a bit more in common with the left than the right, but I'm not a granola-munching "save the whales" hippie either. I just believe in things that make sense. I have issues with some leftist values, I have issues with some conservative values, and I even have issues with some moderate values. You can't really put me on the conventional political spectrum.

The only online political test I felt was definitive enough showed me as being 66% or 68% conservative so that's how I identify myself. With all the liberals on WP I lean more heavily (obnoxiously) conservative.


I never said I was in favor of mass disarmament, if anything I said I was against it. Now, one of the main differences between the US and Canada is that armament is not a constitutional right here, and you know what, considering that we don't live in a perfect world where everybody who can pick up a gun is automatically competent with handling one, I'm fine with that. Cars can be dangerous in the wrong hands, and so can guns, so I think it's perfectly sensible that a person should have to prove their competency before they drive or own a gun.

AR-15s are restricted, but not outright prohibited. AK-47s and their many many variants on the other hand, are all prohibited, even ones that aren't made to go full-auto. I think it's kind of stupid that AR-15 variants are OK, but AK-47 variants aren't. I think it can be chalked up to Cold War-era thinking, like "oh, these are the guns the good guys use (the AR-15 variants), and these are the guns those filthy commies use (the AK-47 variants)." They are both capable of the same sorts of things, but one just looks "scarier" than the other. :roll:

One point I will make, I am not in favor of the US changing its firearms laws. Why? It's too late to. If they tried to change their laws over to something more like what we have, then they'd have a bunch of pissed off people toting machine guns to deal with. :P That would cause a major shitstorm.



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06 May 2014, 8:52 pm

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If an idiot in Canada wants a gun he can get one. You have a black market and illegal gun trade just like other countries.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm#c

Some areas are worse than others. Toronto has some terrible gang related gun violence. But where I live people mostly have guns for hunting, not so much for self defence.



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06 May 2014, 9:11 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
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If an idiot in Canada wants a gun he can get one. You have a black market and illegal gun trade just like other countries.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm#c

Some areas are worse than others. Toronto has some terrible gang related gun violence. But where I live people mostly have guns for hunting, not so much for self defence.


Quoted for truth.



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06 May 2014, 11:57 pm

I teach my kids how to make bombs and poison gas so they can learn some chemistry :roll:



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07 May 2014, 1:10 am

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07 May 2014, 3:42 am

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the idea of seperating people into something as trite and as zero sum as 'good and bad guys' is where you went wrong here.

People aren't 'born evil' they are a product of their environment and experiences.


If you are living in a country where guns are illegal there is a direct correlation between how hard guns are to get and how likely it is you will become a victim of someone with a gun.

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07 May 2014, 5:36 am

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If you are living in a country where guns are illegal there is a direct correlation between how hard guns are to get and how likely it is you will become a victim of someone with a gun.

Well duh. But what about getting murdered or mugged?



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07 May 2014, 5:43 am

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It was meant to be an idealistic post, perhaps with the secondary intention of provocation.


So, your usual hit and run, with some light trolling thrown in then?

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I do not have an irrational fear of guns. Where I live, gun homicides and suicides and accidents are actually pretty rare (I am lucky to live where I do). So when I walk around the neighborhood I am not afraid to be shot to death or anything like that. If I lived in a worse neighborhood I would probably be even more anti-gun than I am now.


So, you're basing your opinion on what again? You've just said that you have very little chance of encountering a gun day to day, which is an admission that they're not negatively effecting you, and then declared that you'd not change your mind in different circumstances, without really knowing how you'd feel under such circumstances. Raptor and I can both regale you with stories of anti-gun people who changed their tunes when they needed a gun and didn't have one, so I wouldn't be so quick to write it off.

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My point was simply that the majority of the population doesn't have to hunt and gather for their own food.


Hunting for food is the only use for firearms? Wow, the things I learn day to day, you'd think I didn't have a degree in gunsmithing and over a decade of firearms experience...

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It just seems very strange to me how humans like guns so much. Animals don't shoot guns.


Do I even need to mock you for this? Highlighting it is probably enough.

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Guns and weapons are an example of human innovation gone wrong.


Really now, the tools that allowed us to hunt larger game than we could have brought down with our natural equipment, thus laying the bedrock for civilization as we know it, are "innovation gone wrong"? Or, to talk about firearms specifically, the tool that made it possible for us to get out from under the tyranny of a martial class riding roughshod over the peons, as was the case when being a soldier was a lifetime commitment and armored knights (or samurai, etc) were virtually invincible due to their arms and training? Perhaps you should actually learn about things before deciding you're against them, just a crazy suggestion.

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Again, I am not talking about how things are at this very moment in time. Some people do in fact need guns to protect themselves. My post was meant to be an idealistic comment on how things should be, not how they are.


"How things should be" as decided by someone who knows nothing about the things in question... Great plan.


Well, you proved my point. If you want to convince people that you are right, you might consider removing the condescension from from your arguments. You are completely missing my point.



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07 May 2014, 11:18 am

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Who in their right mind would give an 8-year-old an assault rifle? However, since this happened in South Carolina, I'm not surprised that this kid was given a rifle in the first place.

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If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle. Period. The gun in question was a one-shot-per-trigger-pull .22 rifle. The real question is who in their right mind allows an 8-year-old to handle a firearm without adult supervision? The problem here really isn't guns, it's irresponsible parenting. Guns aren't for kids.



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07 May 2014, 4:25 pm

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Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.


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07 May 2014, 7:11 pm

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If you are living in a country where guns are illegal there is a direct correlation between how hard guns are to get and how likely it is you will become a victim of someone with a gun.


Yeah, crystal meth is VERY illegal in the USA so by your logic that must mean it's very hard to obtain. NOT!


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