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That's something I'd never expect to hear from you.

Well, people can surprise you that way. Assumptions can be perilous things. There are certainly a number of people both nonChristian and Christian who are morally better than me, though I am trying... very trying (bad jest from my father).

I tend to look down on Christans who say without fear of Hell their is no morality. The statement assumes people are fundamentally evil. I see people as fundamentally good on the other hand and willing to perform good deeds without needing to fear some great cosmic punishment at the end.

Personally, I don't know if Hell and Heaven exsist and I don't care - I'm going to be the nice neighboorhood atheist anyway.

We are part of our cultures, good or bad. Our culture starts us off. We can be conditioned to be good or bad. A lot of people bring their kids to churches because of the Christian reputation for teaching to be good -- whether they deliver the goods or not.

People bring themselves to church because they have been involved in evil and have consequences. The message that God rewards those who seek him and provides a way out of the evil in their society and themselves is powerful -- whether they deliver the goods or not.

Non Christian cultures can coast without realizing that they are tending downhill. The first Wood Stock worked out well among the hippies who still had a little Christian influence on them. The last Wood Stock was hell on earth because all Christian influence was gone.

I'm heavily involved in healing of body, mind, spirit and culture because I prefer to be part of the solution in this world. I know it is an uphill fight I am apt to lose, but God's promises keep me doing it anyway.

Perhaps my opinion on ideas was a little ill-thought - you do have a point. To refine it a little, if we can apply that equality to these forums then it will run alot more efficiently and people won't be afraid to express their ideas. After all, it is the diversity in beliefs and ideas that makes for a good conversation; if everyone agreed all the time then life would be quite dull.

Respecting other's ideas doesn't mean silent tolerance by any means. Question and prod at their views, draw out responses and gain a better understanding of their side, and in doing so, yours. But do so appropriately - I know alot of us (majority?) are atheists here and are strong in our convictions (and thus, in our opposition to theism), but don't let this turn you into a monster and others into victims. We're a community after all.

I was under the impression that was the general rule here; some statements on both sides may be unduly vitriolic, but we are usually fairly civilised here. Yes, uniform agreement would rapidly become tiresome, and respect for other ideas does not inherently mean silent acquiescence (indeed, true respect surely calls for an honest response). Who is being monstrous? Yes, we are a community. By the way, the thread title seems unduly antagonistic and not especially accurate. (Pinder's actual opening post does not call for the massacre of satanists, and actually names atheists as persecuting him anyway). Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I think it is important this discussion does not descend into acrimony.

Jesus Christ ....

In spite of my better judgement, I want to make a couple of observations. (bold highlights are my editing for emphasis)

I think that's one of the most Christian things said in this topic



also consistent with my Christian beliefs (and you have something in common with Luther - see below)



What about doing unto others .... Its no good just going to church and learning quotes ...



Yes but ...


.... I'll bet Flagg will make it to the Pearly Gates ahead of a lot of "christians".

The hypocrites are merely harder to bring to righteousness by a relationship with Christ. Not impossible, though. John Wesley started out that way. When he finally "got" it from a printed sermon by Martin Luther, he started the Wesleyan revival movement of people called the Methodists. His is an interesting story for us; I highly suspect from his biography that he had Aspergers!

one again, you distort fact for your own agenda. woodstock has nothing to do with christianity. the initial woodstock was a part of a political movment in some ways but there were, in fact, many cases of rape and various lawsuits were filed afterwards....the first is just idealized because it featured such amazing musicians. you also have to take into account that the festival was much smaller due to the fact that there was not nearly as much publicity or build up, people couldn't as easily travel across the country, and generally, people within the age group that would attend such festivals didn't have as much money as many of the spoiled brats who attended the last festival did. the festival wasn't as bad as altamont where people were killed by cokehead bikers as the rolling stones tromped through sloppy renditions of "under my thumb" but it certainly wasn't as great as everyone hails it to be. though i will say....one factor that helped make it not as bad as the last one....people WANTED the festival to work so they tried...


the last woodstock was a complete failure not only due to the lack of the hippie influence (peace and love maaaaaaan) but also due to corners cut by the organizers. the bathroom facilities were not adequate for the number of people attending, food and water were sold at insane prices that endangered audience members who couldn't afford to hydrate themselves, and generally, the festival was too big to be controlled by the amount of security they had staffed. and because most people are idiots (afterall, you have limp biscut fans attending), they decided the best way to solve the problem was to destroy everything as opposed to just leaving the festival and suing them for being a ripoff and violation of many health codes and human rights. and unlike the first festival where people had the hippie idealism behind it, this last festival had no philosophy and was all money...the audiences weren't looking to help make the festival work by helping out...they were there to be entertained and that's it.

there have been books written on the woodstock festivals...you've obviously never gone beyond the little blurb that sensationalists like cnn would put.


christian influence had nothing to do with it. greedy people combined with stupid people had EVERYTHING to do with it.

Yep, greedy and stupid people are the root of all evil..

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

uh.....before i comment...what are the "good intentions" you're refering to? the people who are willfully stupid or the people who are gluttonously greedy?

I'm saying most "evil" is merely good people trying to help the wrong way.

ah....so the stupid ones. got it.

Great quotation.