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01 May 2007, 10:06 pm

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e. f. schumacher

Certainly an interesting choice. A heterodox economist with religious influences.

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I would say David Card. I think all of his research is fascinating!

Apparently you like labor economics. Interesting. What I find also interesting is that David Card is not known much for political muckraking or anything of that nature like most of the other options selected. Although, he is still noted for making studies on politically oriented topics.



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02 May 2007, 12:11 am

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Apparently you like labor economics. Interesting. What I find also interesting is that David Card is not known much for political muckraking or anything of that nature like most of the other options selected. Although, he is still noted for making studies on politically oriented topics.


I would have to say my preference in econ leans towards labor, yes. And I would have to agree with your observation. I think the manner in which Card presents his research may have something to do with that.

You seem to have a lot of knowledge of economics. Is it an interest or are you studying it in school?



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02 May 2007, 12:17 am

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I would have to say my preference in econ leans towards labor, yes. And I would have to agree with your observation. I think the manner in which Card presents his research may have something to do with that.

You seem to have a lot of knowledge of economics. Is it an interest or are you studying it in school?

Ok. Well, I just found it interesting as it was more reflective of knowledge in the field than most display as most people picked a favorite pundit who may not really have much in their name as a theorist compared to others. I did not know you were a grad student when I typed that up.

Me? I know most of what I know through it being an interest. Only recently have I started studying it in school.



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02 May 2007, 1:10 am

Because this thread is pretty much dead.... or I thought it was. I would pick Milton Friedman as the best economist in my opinion. At least as one of the ones who is up there. This is partially a selection of ideology as I believe that Friedman's defense of markets is incredibly important. However, the man is undoubtedly one of the most revolutionary modern economists given his ideas such as his argument for monetarism, his view on the causes of the Great Depression, the critique of the phillips curve as not providing a long run trade off, and his defense of the price system/market mechanism. He also influenced policy in a great manner through this. I am definitely not as extreme as his politics are though.



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02 May 2007, 9:03 pm

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Who says the best economist has to be a traditional economist? Genghis Khan killed millions of people with an army of thousands and turned a nearly destitute herding society into an empire. That's much more impressive than writing an economic theory book to me.

Well, that really has very little to do with the production, consumption, or distribution of goods or of the nature of incentives and trade-offs. Killing millions of people is a matter of military men, and turning a small herding society into an empire is a matter of conquering. Neither is really what one would typically consider to be economics. Economics may overlap some aspects of this, however, it is not what is typically believed to be economics. Now, you may be more impressed with this than economic theories and theorists, however, that does not really make a general become an economist any more than someone else being impressed with Henry Ford make him a historian.


Screw economics, I want econophysics! And evolutionary economics... my favorite economist hasn't yet been invented, all the traditional economists have political agenda and many are class/caste market protectionists.

There can be no free market and there never will be a free market, the market we have now is a mixed economy. Many economists are divorced from the real world, thats my problem with them, they are the least rigorous of all sciences. Economics is not like say physics or chemistry, economics would rank at the bottom of the pile since economics rubs up against ideology, social order and cultural values.

Incentives matter yes, but perverse incentives are rampant, take one look at CEO pay increases and you know that markets devolve into corruption very quickly without oversight. Right now we have cartels and oligopolies, we are far way from free market ideology.



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02 May 2007, 9:08 pm

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The only thing is that this destroys potential wealth creation though. The more people there are the more wealth that can be created from existing wealth. Not only that but with this type of argument you could also argue that every general is a good psychologist as well. The simple fact of the matter is that this does not show a person to necessarily have a broad understanding of the field or to do anything meaningfully to it. Genghis Khan's logistics has more to do with management than it does with economics as he didn't have to do many micro-economic calculations. The best way to find the best economist is to look at the field and pick the person with better ideas. I know that Genghis Khan was devil's advocating as the man was very clearly not an economist. I am not sure that I necessarily agree with your last statement though because just about any mind with clear ideas can become a very notable economist by writing down crap. I'd sooner say that nobody knows it because of the subjective evaluations of people and the fact that nobody has created a perfect theory on economic phenomena.


I love a good debate.

Potential wealth creation is nothing if the wealth isn't allocated efficiently. There is a point where every extra unit/person just becomes a burden, I believe this is called the law of diminishing returns. Currently, I think the world is at that point.

Genghis Khan was not just a general, he was a king, and he obviously had some natural mental gifts and an intuitive understanding of concepts that weren't as widely circulated in his time. I didn't say anything about all generals being like this.

If we knew the best way to find the best economist we wouldn't have this question in the first place.

There are so many branches of economic theory and so many different notable economists it would take a ridiculous amount of research to properly identify who is the "best" and even then it would be too subjective to end debate (the reason this is such a good topic for debate).


The best economist is the one that eliminates war and poverty permanently. He doesn't exist, all we have are half-baked ones at the moment.



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02 May 2007, 11:15 pm

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Screw economics, I want econophysics! And evolutionary economics... my favorite economist hasn't yet been invented, all the traditional economists have political agenda and many are class/caste market protectionists.

There can be no free market and there never will be a free market, the market we have now is a mixed economy. Many economists are divorced from the real world, thats my problem with them, they are the least rigorous of all sciences. Economics is not like say physics or chemistry, economics would rank at the bottom of the pile since economics rubs up against ideology, social order and cultural values.

Incentives matter yes, but perverse incentives are rampant, take one look at CEO pay increases and you know that markets devolve into corruption very quickly without oversight. Right now we have cartels and oligopolies, we are far way from free market ideology.

Econophysics and evolutionary economics are disciplines of the subject of economics. Well, favorite economist isn't a matter of ideal but rather given the options, which would you rate highest. Many traditional economists have a political agenda, I would imagine that quite a few really do not want to do much more than interpret data.

Perfect free market? Well, given the definition that you would like to use then the only system that would qualify would be anarcho-capitalist. Economists actually do a lot with data and interpreting it and to call them divorced from the world seems a bit of a harsh criticism. Economics is the least rigorous because it is the least similar to the others. Run an economic experiment for me with a control group, with an experiment group and with all else truly equal. Can that be done? No. Economists are stuck with a world with enough variables to kill a cow and forced to read through them. You are right that they have a greater influence by ideology and ideologues but at the very least we can recognize that every ideology promotes its own economic views.

Not necessarily, some are a matter of corruption other economists have argued that this is merely a matter of firm sizes and increased competition for top performers. Firms have gotten larger in some ways and CEO bidding now occurs more frequently meaning that possible losses due to bad leadership can be larger and CEOs are now more capable of getting what they can do. This is not to say that CEOs are just getting what they deserve, however, corruption alone cannot explain it all. We have more oligopolies than cartels and probably more monopolistic competition than both but that really does not interfere with anyone's ideas. The government subsidies and regulations are further away from free market ideology than that. Really though, market ideologues do not argue that all market structures are perfect competition.
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The best economist is the one that eliminates war and poverty permanently. He doesn't exist, all we have are half-baked ones at the moment.
The best economist must exist. We are aiming at an actual best, not some theoretical messiah. If you want a man to eliminate poverty though then you might want to look at Jeffrey Sachs, the man is committed to it. Really though, poverty rates have been declining. As I have stated before worldwide inequality according to some studies is on the decline, and the first world nations are much richer as well.