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OttselHero
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12 Mar 2015, 11:11 am

I try going through work (and life) having as few people know about my Asperger's as possible. However a doctor once advised me to disclose my AS status at the start of a job interview so that they might understand why I might seem nervous or uncomfortable. I've yet to implement this (luckily my current job was obtained through a mutual connection), however I may choose to follow this advice in future job hunts simply because I can't not appear nervous for something as important as a job interview. I've had many interviews, but it never got easier.



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14 Mar 2015, 5:12 pm

I have been discriminated against by professionals at college and at jobs for disclosing. I am a professional, well-educated, very capable woman and as soon as I am seen as autistic a person's (NT's) perception changes. I recently wrote this for a psychology flyer:
“The challenge with identifying one with a label or collective group is the identification leads to an undeniable risk of an individual being categorized, compared and boxed into one of many stereotypes. Aspergers is a part of my neurological condition, but it's not me. We, as a sector, are perceived by some as incapable, weak or ‘not-normal,’ and definitely in need of fixing. The problem is we are too often compared to an established societal norm of what is true and right, when in our minds no such norm exits. Within the autistic community, many, if not most, view themselves as entirely capable of striving. Many are filled with compassion, empathy, a need to speak the truth and high-levels of fluid intelligence and creativity. With proper support and acceptance, a person with Aspergers can lead a fulfilling life. I am not weak or less-than, nor am I ‘unhealthy’ in my communication or thoughts. And neither are most of the people I encounter on the spectrum, including my middle-son with ASD, whom I count as one of the wisest souls I know. We are just different in the way we take in the world. I am happy to be included amongst those that say, without hesitance, “I have Aspergers.”

I am an author and educator with a Masters in Education. But none of that seems to matter if someone wants to make themselves feel superior.

Currently I work at ULTRA Testing and find jobs for people with ASD. We don't ask anyone to disclose, as it's illegal. However, I have disclosed my ASD to this company.

Sam Craft of everydayaspergers.com



ElsaFlowers
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17 Mar 2015, 3:25 pm

Things have been much better for me at work since I disclosed. My bosses have been very understanding and trying to make things easier for me. I'm so glad I disclosed now. It's still hard for me working full time but at the moment it's bearable :)



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17 Mar 2015, 3:30 pm

I think it also depends on how important you are to the company, and whether or not your AS will affect the work. If it has no effect then no need to disclose but if you think it will (for example, you work with your hands but needs to talk to customers sometimes) then it could help.



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18 Mar 2015, 11:49 am

I think you should disclose it and give your boss some paperwork about it so they can better understand you as a worker.



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18 Mar 2015, 2:19 pm

SO...like I said, I'm researching this. I came across some interesting and disturbing information.

This is in:

Jones, J. (2012). "Discouraging Voluntary Disclosure: EEOC v. C.R. England and Confidentiality Under the ADA." Brigham Young University Law Review 2012(2): 559-574.

You ARE covered under the ADA if you hand a medical note to your boss or HR.

You are NOT covered if you tell anyone about it, or if anyone hears about it. And they CAN talk about you behind your back, as long as it's not whats in the doctors note.

I'm NT, but I DO have a neurological disease. So I could say, Hey Boss, I just wanted you to know I have this neuro disease, it's not a big deal, and I'm bringing you the medical documentation tomorrow. I just wanted you to know why I might look a little uncomfortable at meetings.

This boss could then LEGALLY go to my co-workers, ask about it, they could make up something ("oh I heard she wets her pants! that's why she's uncomfortable!"), whatever, then the next thing you know, I'm talking to a client who thinks I wet my pants. Nothing I can do about it.

This kind of thing happens ALL the time. Not just with ASD, but it's especially a problem with ASD where people have so many stupid misunderstandings about it.



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07 Apr 2015, 1:35 am

Well my boss managed to be civil to me for all of 2 weeks after I disclosed. Then on the day before I was due to go for my ASD assessment she caused an argument, blaming me for something which could have been any one of 5 people. She said it must have been me because it never happened before :? She said she cannot keep treading on eggshells around me and I was gobsmacked when she said " I bet you go home and tell your partner I've been bullying you" 8O Well yes I do because that's how I see it but it's no business of hers what I tell my partner :x

So because of this I couldn't face going back on the Friday after my day off so I phoned in sick then over the weekend I sent an email explaining that I wouldn't be returning due to the way I feel I've been treated by this woman. Her husband is the director so I hope he gives her a hard time about this. He knows what she's like as they argue in work often about her behaviour and attitude in the workplace.



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09 Apr 2015, 10:15 am

Unfortunately, it is becoming all too common in the workplace to deny someone employment due to a disability, and if someone with one does slip through the cracks, they are pushed to the point they quit simply so people don't have to deal with them. This is my tale of disclosure, and its pros and cons.

My current job is as a Kitchen Porter in a restaurant. At interview, I was polite, funny, and had a smile on my face throughout. No mention of any disabilities was made nor asked for, and from the outside it didn't look like there was a problem. Naturally, at the time there was a big problem - I was going through a period of bad depression, where I was feeling useless and everything I was doing was pointless. I had put on an act to get through the interview, as people had 'advised' me to do.
Anyway, I got the job and headed to sign my contract, at the bottom of it was a disclosure for any disabilities. I put down Aspergers and later on the managers took me to one side to get the gist of it. No issues there right? The very next day, the General Manager pulls me over and says that I should have told them at interview that I had AS, with me countering that people in my position get discriminated for doing exactly that, even noting this as the equivalent to the military policy of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'. In response he said that "had I told him at interview, I would not have been hired" with his reasoning being the risk assessments that would be necessary and the changes that would need to be implemented.

I was in shock. Not only had I been proven right about being discriminated against, but this guy had outright told me that he would not have hired me on my disability alone. I was fuming, but I carried on like he hadn't said anything, and gave the head chef the rundown of my specific circumstances (bad at multitasking, gets worked up if too many things go wrong at once, need for organization) He was very accepting of it, as were the majority of the kitchen staff; that and I also told him not to piss me off, especially in a kitchen with lots of sharp objects. (That last part being a warning that if I get worked up enough, I would just let loose on whatever was around me, as some of my school peers found out the hard way.)

Things came to a head about 2 weeks after I started. I had yet to be shown how to use a certain piece of equipment, and was told to use it. Figuring someone would have realized I wasn't yet 'authorised' to use it (safety reasons) I waited outside, kitting myself up in the protective gear. GM comes out and asks what I'm doing, then asks whether I know how to do what I'm supposed to be doing. When he started to make assumptions that I didnt know the safety aspects of the chemicals involved I politely reminded him that I did in fact know about them (being a chemistry graduate and all).
He got mad, yelling at me loud enough that other staff members could hear. He got within inches of my face (a massive no-no) and said among other things that answering back to him was extremely disrespectful.

While I kept a straight face during the tirade, I broke down in tears once he left. Between feeling furious at my treatment and upset at being yelled at, I really didn't want to be around a guy who just wouldn't accept me. The General Manager's wife, also a GM, a duty manager and the Area Manager (GM's boss) were on premises at the time and I informed them of what had transpired. Naturally, they all assumed I was overreacting, the wife even saying that he wouldn't do that and wouldn't discriminate someone with a disability, as he has diabetes. I pointed out that diabetes and AS are not even in the same category of disabilities, and that one is treatable while the other is not. I also made it clear that people in the kitchen had heard some of what had been said, and I ended up making a formal request to the Area Manager to handle it. As it turned out, there was a camera in the back yard that confirmed my version of events; not only confirming that what had happened did happen, but also reaffirming my stance of always being open and honest with people.

Following this, the management team were quick to get a full rundown of any ways to help me do this job without any more incidents. My sister, a graduate with a Masters Degree in Social Work (and who did extensive research on ASDs, with me being the subject of her dissertation) was able to provide plenty of information to them for the purpose of helping them help me deal with the pressure. A lot of the problems quickly vanished now that people knew how to interpret and react, and people saw me in a new light - the same face I had put on at interview to hide my depression was now what i was like normally, because people were accepting it. Sure there were some hiccups along the way, but these were solved relatively quickly and people enjoyed working with me.

9 months later and the number of staff members has dwindled. While many have gone and started new jobs, I remain. While many who started strong got complacent, I kept improving. Even the GM, who once had said 'it would never work' has told me I'm one of his best employees due to the amount of care and work I put in.

In short, people assumed ASDs meant you are incapable of working, and I set out to prove them wrong. I succeeded. Disclosure is a double edged sword - you need to emphasise that despite the disability you have strengths that outweigh it. Make sure that you have information on hand should it come up at interview, and be as honest as you can be with potential employers. Never lie to them, be upfront with them, and they should have a reason to trust in you.



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09 Apr 2015, 10:29 am

Morbuss wrote:
In short, people assumed ASDs meant you are incapable of working, and I set out to prove them wrong. I succeeded. Disclosure is a double edged sword - you need to emphasise that despite the disability you have strengths that outweigh it. Make sure that you have information on hand should it come up at interview, and be as honest as you can be with potential employers. Never lie to them, be upfront with them, and they should have a reason to trust in you.


Well done you, it's so encouraging to hear this, despite the trouble you had initially and the treatment you were subjected to. It just goes to show what can be achieved with determination and effort. I hope you get promoted - you deserve to be.