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06 Feb 2019, 11:47 am

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So the deed is in both names....but you're the only one financially responsible for it.

I'm sorry you're in this situation. I believe Isabella's advice is the most sensible advice.


Yes but he pays a lot of the rest of the bills. So we're not 50/50 but that bill is one that I pay.

And thanks guys. I appreciate the advice.


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06 Feb 2019, 11:51 am

You're welcome. And I understand that I don't know your total situation.

But do keep in mind that you are financially responsible for the mortgage. That's very important. It really is.

I hope you don't think I was bashing you over the head with this. Isabella wasn't, either. She's had this sort of thing happen to her--and she wanted to share her experience.

It's just that this sort of situation happens with many people.

I don't like this blame game your husband is playing when it comes to him screwing up financially.



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06 Feb 2019, 12:02 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You're welcome. And I understand that I don't know your total situation.

But do keep in mind that you are financially responsible for the mortgage. That's very important. It really is.

I hope you don't think I was bashing you over the head with this. Isabella wasn't, either. She's had this sort of thing happen to her--and she wanted to share her experience.

It's just that this sort of situation happens with many people.

I don't like this blame game your husband is playing when it comes to him screwing up financially.


Yes I understand, and I appreciate the genuine concern. I'm not going to get run over by anyone in this, and I am kind of a financial nut so I will not come out on the bottom. But I'm also not out to get anyone's money. Who even know what's going to happen. Maybe he'll see, after weeks of showing him I'm serious about a divorce, that he gets a wake up call and changes something.


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06 Feb 2019, 12:04 pm

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In New York State, and probably most of the country, if they are married, the bank/mortgage lender will take the LOWER credit score as the qualifying score.

If a wife has a 730 and a husband has a 560, they will take the 560, and disqualify the couple from the mortgage. For all intents and purposes, a credit score below 620 disqualifies anyone from a standard mortgage.

But then I'm thinking: were they married at the time they applied for the mortgage?


I'll let yogi answer that, but she's been married two years and they just closed the house deal very recently. It seems she was married when she acquired the mortgage. yogi, please do not leave your husband or file for divorce, or even insinuate that you are going to divorce him until you have professional counsel. I've been here and done this. It can be disastrous. I'm sorry to sound alarmist, but I learned by the school of hard knocks how vicious domestic law can be.

Some mortgages / real estate acquisitions have a short period during which you can change your mind or back out. Look into this carefully without delay.

Your other option of remaining in the house (but separated) is a last-case choice. It won't resolve your financial obligation to the mortgage, which is likely amortised for 25 or more years. I don't know how much downpayment you have in liquid assets, but that's another consideration if you think of making a fast sale.


I'm sorry you've had to deal with this also. I will look into things deeply, and definitely seek council on it too.


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06 Feb 2019, 12:12 pm

Sometimes marriage people say a lot of things that they don't really mean and later regret saying.

I would like to make a suggestion that might help improve your marriage. I have found that being an Aspie I communicate better in writing than verbally. I would recommend that you attend a weekend retreat with your husband, called a Marriage Encounter. During this retreat it allows you to hash out your differences. Men and women are separated during the retreat and cannot communicate verbally. Instead they have to resort to communicate by writing letters. There are lectures and guidance during the retreat to steer the two of you together. Many times these letters become love letters.

I went through this retreat around 40 years ago. And it worked for my marriage.


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06 Feb 2019, 12:24 pm

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Sometimes marriage people say a lot of things that they don't really mean and later regret saying.

I would like to make a suggestion that might help improve your marriage. I have found that being an Aspie I communicate better in writing than verbally. I would recommend that you attend a weekend retreat with your husband, called a Marriage Encounter. During this retreat it allows you to hash out your differences. Men and women are separated during the retreat and cannot communicate verbally. Instead they have to resort to communicate by writing letters. There are lectures and guidance during the retreat to steer the two of you together. Many times these letters become love letters.

I went through this retreat around 40 years ago. And it worked for my marriage.


Hmm that's very interesting. We're not Catholic, however we are Christians (although we're definitely not acting like it right now :roll:). We have tried something like this before but it was with a couple, not in a conference setting. I will look further into it. Thank you.


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06 Feb 2019, 1:14 pm

sorry for cutting in this discussion, but what i read exactly IS narcissistic. first thing, first alarm, is hauling blame on the other person, refusing to do any self-improvement or admit their mistakes. because that is what narcissism is all about, they consider themself perfect as they are. i am sorry if my perception is flawed (and it cannot be too accurate, given that i dont really see the situation with my own eyes, and never have talked to the other person in it). just be careful and ofc listen to other ppl's warnings here. i am totally incompetent in ur country's laws (and not too competent in laws of my own, either, ya). if u would want to divorce, doing it very careful and as foulproof as possible is essential from every PoV, including emotional one. because a narcissist would try to deal maximum damage to u when they realise u are getting off their hook. again, my understanding of situation is ofc limited, and affected by my own experience. i really wish u best to secure urself, in any way u decide to do that.


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06 Feb 2019, 1:27 pm

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sorry for cutting in this discussion, but what i read exactly IS narcissistic. first thing, first alarm, is hauling blame on the other person, refusing to do any self-improvement or admit their mistakes. because that is what narcissism is all about, they consider themself perfect as they are. i am sorry if my perception is flawed (and it cannot be too accurate, given that i dont really see the situation with my own eyes, and never have talked to the other person in it). just be careful and ofc listen to other ppl's warnings here. i am totally incompetent in ur country's laws (and not too competent in laws of my own, either, ya). if u would want to divorce, doing it very careful and as foulproof as possible is essential from every PoV, including emotional one. because a narcissist would try to deal maximum damage to u when they realise u are getting off their hook. again, my understanding of situation is ofc limited, and affected by my own experience. i really wish u best to secure urself, in any way u decide to do that.


No that's quite alright. I appreciate your feedback for sure. Thanks for chiming in


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06 Feb 2019, 1:50 pm

I wasn't advocating you getting money from HIM.

My main concern is that a default on a mortgage is a big credit hit, lasting 7 years.



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06 Feb 2019, 1:52 pm

I know a guy who have a amicable divorce. He ended up with his wife's house when it came to dividing everything up. My guess is she made more than he did.



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06 Feb 2019, 1:54 pm

yogiB1 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
So the deed is in both names....but you're the only one financially responsible for it.

I'm sorry you're in this situation. I believe Isabella's advice is the most sensible advice.


Yes but he pays a lot of the rest of the bills. So we're not 50/50 but that bill is one that I pay.

And thanks guys. I appreciate the advice.


Don't forget that "the rest of the bills" will be gone if you don't own the house and you aren't married.
He'll be paying nothing (or just his own expenses like his car or phone), and you'll be paying a mortgage.
I doubt that the expenses he pays on your behalf have 25+ year commitments with the federal government.

BDTD: Of course that can happen. But, yogi demonstrated that he is not a compassionate person. He wants his 50% , he'll take it, and he'll be entitled to it. Then she'll still have a mortgage and let's not forget taxes on the property.


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06 Feb 2019, 2:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I wasn't advocating you getting money from HIM.

My main concern is that a default on a mortgage is a big credit hit, lasting 7 years.


Yes I would not let that happen.


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06 Feb 2019, 4:40 pm

yogiB1 wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
Sometimes marriage people say a lot of things that they don't really mean and later regret saying.

I would like to make a suggestion that might help improve your marriage. I have found that being an Aspie I communicate better in writing than verbally. I would recommend that you attend a weekend retreat with your husband, called a Marriage Encounter. During this retreat it allows you to hash out your differences. Men and women are separated during the retreat and cannot communicate verbally. Instead they have to resort to communicate by writing letters. There are lectures and guidance during the retreat to steer the two of you together. Many times these letters become love letters.

I went through this retreat around 40 years ago. And it worked for my marriage.


Hmm that's very interesting. We're not Catholic, however we are Christians (although we're definitely not acting like it right now :roll:). We have tried something like this before but it was with a couple, not in a conference setting. I will look further into it. Thank you.


Although this program originated in Catholic organizations, it has expanded to many other Christian and Jewish organizations over the years. The program is more focused on supporting marriage than focused on religion proselytism. It provides support for married couples from all religious denominations including athiest.


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