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06 Jul 2019, 11:30 am

It's hurt me more than it really should. :(


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06 Jul 2019, 12:46 pm

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It's hurt me more than it really should. :(

I know that feeling. I went through it on another forum where I learned the hard way about these people. The learning process was very slow and painful.



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06 Jul 2019, 1:22 pm

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smudge wrote:
It's hurt me more than it really should. :(

I know that feeling. I went through it on another forum where I learned the hard way about these people. The learning process was very slow and painful.


I've found the sooner someone likes you, agrees with you and accepts you, the sooner they ditch you (because they're black and white thinkers, emotional, people are either good or evil in their eyes, and they jumped to the conclusion in the first place that they thought they knew everything about you before actually getting to know you).

It feels like they're lying because they don't want to acknowledge that you have feelings, and they distort the truth to suit their beliefs, which are lies. They purposely misunderstand you, or so it feels.

What happened on the forum?


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06 Jul 2019, 1:30 pm

I'm pro SJW. But the OP eg was ridiculous.

I find it funny that a lot of people on here are anti SJW but also anti things like Autism Speaks. Most of their right wing buddies probably use 'autistic' as an insult. Being anti ableist is considered by the mainstream to be more SJW than being anti racism or even anti sexism.

What I don't like is when either side/any of the sides takes something which had nothing to do with it so someone wishing Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas or someone wishing a white Christmas and taking those things as 'political' when they're actually not at all political.

I find Happy Holidays a bit daft though, is that an American thing? What's wrong with season's greetings? Says the same thing, just as generic but is traditional enough not to wind anyone up.


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06 Jul 2019, 1:53 pm

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I find it funny that a lot of people on here are anti SJW but also anti things like Autism Speaks. Most of their right wing buddies probably use 'autistic' as an insult. Being anti ableist is considered by the mainstream to be more SJW than being anti racism or even anti sexism.


Not liking deranged lunatics on one hand doesn't mean you like con-artistry and scare-mongering on the other.

And not using "autistic" or "ret*d" as insults is one thing, it's more about the sort of people who would claim that using the phrase "be seeing you" is hateful to the blind or similar nonsense.


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06 Jul 2019, 3:13 pm

smudge wrote:
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smudge wrote:
It's hurt me more than it really should. :(

I know that feeling. I went through it on another forum where I learned the hard way about these people. The learning process was very slow and painful.


I've found the sooner someone likes you, agrees with you and accepts you, the sooner they ditch you (because they're black and white thinkers, emotional, people are either good or evil in their eyes, and they jumped to the conclusion in the first place that they thought they knew everything about you before actually getting to know you).

It feels like they're lying because they don't want to acknowledge that you have feelings, and they distort the truth to suit their beliefs, which are lies. They purposely misunderstand you, or so it feels.

What happened on the forum?

That's an interesting thought, the quicker someone likes you the quicker they ditch you.

The forum, it's hard to nutshell it, basically it had a lot of SJWish people on it, really far left, but also intelligent. While it never was as bad as some of the SJW horror stories you hear, they had lots of the traits, you know, low morals, accuse you of everything, site mods and admins abusing their power, double standards for everything, gaslighting, dogpiling, twisting everything you say into the worst possible interpretation. They've chewed up and spat out quite a number of people.

I never had a problem of buying into what they were selling, though it does grate on you considerably having lots of people telling you how awful you are for an extended period of time and caused a lot of stress and soul searching.

My problem, aside from the ill treatment, was treating them as I would treat anyone else. It's terrible with these types of people. The normal person rules have to be thrown out completely, and I had no clue of how to deal with them. While you're trying to make peace or establish common ground, they're trying to destroy and dominate you, make you look bad and make you do what they want. While you're trying to play fair, they're playing dirty. Their intelligence level was what kept me being a sucker for punishment. It embarrasses me now thinking about it but I thought I could get through to them. They still talked like they were against things, you know, the isms, like they were the good guys, and put a lot of effort into their posts, so I just wanted to get them to not think I was one of the ists and then we could be friendly with each other and have good conversations. The problem of course is they have a completely different view of what makes someone an ist, and the bar is very low to qualify. It was a hopeless endeavour, they were just too far to the left to be able to accept me and I struggled badly to wrap my head around their warped World view. It was only when one day I saw "SJW" for the first time, it just made everything so clear. Not instantly of course, I had to read up from there, but everything just clicked into place.

Oh yeah, and I had an "I have passed the point of no return" mentality. That I had suffered too much and lost far too many hours of my time to it all to not ultimately get a positive outcome out of it so I kept going. Another mistake and another lesson learned the hard way.



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06 Jul 2019, 7:32 pm

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Most of their right wing buddies probably use 'autistic' as an insult.


It's quite sad for me the number of WP forum users who appear to consistently be apologetic for organisations, groups, individuals (Trump..cough..) who not only use these type of slurs in every day use but probably apply these attitudes in believing that disabled people are a burden on society. Trump famously chose Breitbart editor Steve Bannon to be his chief strategist, Bannon has a long and open history of being anti-ableist and sanctioned articles in Brietbart that commonly use the r-word as a slur (two that come to mind include "if parents smack their children there would be no mental illness" and "there are only three genders - male, famale and "ret*ds" - he managed to slur LGBTQI and intellectual disability in one foul swoop); he also coined the term "liberal" drawing on his derision of intellectual disability to slur democrats).

I accept the "AS" is not a disability (mantra) but a gift is helpful to uplift a person's self-esteem with the desire to better integrate and social inclusion in NT society etc...but consistently it's more commonly used by certain individuals to distance themselves from the "autistic" tag to impress the NT crowd. The hypocrisy here is mind blowing.



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06 Jul 2019, 7:49 pm

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I accept the "AS" is not a disability (mantra) but a gift is helpful to uplift a person's self-esteem with the desire to better integrate and social inclusion in NT society etc...but consistently it's more commonly used by certain individuals to distance themselves from the "autistic" tag to impress the NT crowd. The hypocrisy here is mind blowing.


If you've spoken to one person with autism , you've spoken to one person with autism :roll:


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06 Jul 2019, 9:05 pm

Why are right wing people such snowflakes about SJWs ?



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06 Jul 2019, 9:26 pm

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Why are right wing people such snowflakes about SJWs ?


They're used to controlling the standards of political correctness, so they're very sensitive to the idea of other people questioning or disregarding or altering those standards.


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06 Jul 2019, 9:31 pm

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It's quite sad for me the number of WP forum users who appear to consistently be apologetic for organisations, groups, individuals (Trump..cough..) who not only use these type of slurs in every day use but probably apply these attitudes in believing that disabled people are a burden on society.


Must be why Wrong Planet is dying.


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06 Jul 2019, 9:44 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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I accept the "AS" is not a disability (mantra) but a gift is helpful to uplift a person's self-esteem with the desire to better integrate and social inclusion in NT society etc...but consistently it's more commonly used by certain individuals to distance themselves from the "autistic" tag to impress the NT crowd. The hypocrisy here is mind blowing.


If you've spoken to one person with autism , you've spoken to one person with autism :roll:


Unless the person has multiple personalities.


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06 Jul 2019, 9:47 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
cyberdad wrote:

It's quite sad for me the number of WP forum users who appear to consistently be apologetic for organisations, groups, individuals (Trump..cough..) who not only use these type of slurs in every day use but probably apply these attitudes in believing that disabled people are a burden on society.


Must be why Wrong Planet is dying.


Have they been 'self-liquidating'? :lol:


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06 Jul 2019, 9:51 pm

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I accept the "AS" is not a disability (mantra) but a gift is helpful to uplift a person's self-esteem with the desire to better integrate and social inclusion in NT society etc...but consistently it's more commonly used by certain individuals to distance themselves from the "autistic" tag to impress the NT crowd. The hypocrisy here is mind blowing.


If you've spoken to one person with autism , you've spoken to one person with autism :roll:


Unless the person has multiple personalities.


funny you should say that , I'm fascinated with DID and was just wondering if someone with multiple personalities could have a separate personality disorder or disorder which each personality.


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06 Jul 2019, 9:55 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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SaveFerris wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I accept the "AS" is not a disability (mantra) but a gift is helpful to uplift a person's self-esteem with the desire to better integrate and social inclusion in NT society etc...but consistently it's more commonly used by certain individuals to distance themselves from the "autistic" tag to impress the NT crowd. The hypocrisy here is mind blowing.


If you've spoken to one person with autism , you've spoken to one person with autism :roll:


Unless the person has multiple personalities.


funny you should say that , I'm fascinated with DID and was just wondering if someone with multiple personalities could have a separate personality disorder or disorder which each personality.


That's one for the experts to answer. An interesting question, though.


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