Can’t stop feeling depressed
SharonB wrote:
My diagnosis included General Anxiety. During the report the dr looked at me and said "You ruminate a lot" like he was looking for confirmation and I didn't say anything b/c I am just myself and how do I know how much one "should" think about something. It seems reasonable to me that anyone with two small children crossing a busy street and parking lot with over 200 cars would be on a high level of alert. Just b/c my husband is near completely insensitive and doesn't blink an eye --- well, clearly he's out of touch! If I couldn't see it, smell it, hear it, feel it to the degree I do, I wouldn't be worried either! I did not get a diagnosis of depression although I had lots of it previously and get touches of it still often - it's when I feel invalidated (e.g. gaslighted -inadvertently even -by myself even). That's when I doubt myself, my reality (I guess I didn't see it, or it's not important) and that's soul sucking.
I understand you completely. If your husband and others in the world helped out and cared more, you wouldn't have to worry and think and feel so much to compensate.. Esp with kids... yup.
Only psychopaths are lucky enough to not ruminate/care immediately, as if with a switch and be at peace in a second. (I don't mean psychopath demeaningly, as in criminal or something, i mean it neurologically... I just mean they are the furthest from ASD and Aspergers in the way their minds work, as shown by brain scans)
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SharonB wrote:
bloodie, that reminds me of a real-world trigger, when folks in all areas of my life say "you care too much". So, there's some social threshold for how much we are supposed to care. Well, they don't care enough. Phooey.
Really? They seem to be managing fine caring the amount they do, after all we're the ones agonizing. They're doing fine. You care too much isn't advice though, it's like telling someone with sensitive ears at an Insect Warfare concert that they just hear too much.
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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
For the situations I am thinking of, "they" perceive the risk or impact is low and don't agonize beforehand, but if it occurs they agonize afterwards. Company went bankrupt. Person is severely injured or worse. I perceive the risk or impact is higher and agonize beforehand and if it occurs I don't agonize (as much) afterwards. I need to read the O ring (US shuttle engineer) book.
funeralxempire wrote:
SharonB wrote:
bloodie, that reminds me of a real-world trigger, when folks in all areas of my life say "you care too much". So, there's some social threshold for how much we are supposed to care. Well, they don't care enough. Phooey.
Really? They seem to be managing fine caring the amount they do, after all we're the ones agonizing. They're doing fine. You care too much isn't advice though, it's like telling someone with sensitive ears at an Insect Warfare concert that they just hear too much.
What do you mean managing fine? The ones you see and hear of day to day on tv and walking around to their office jobs? What about the ones who are impacted by an aggressively uncaring system, which includes special needs kids being abused or denied important treatments and therapies, people abusing court system to 'get back' at someone else even if they are in the wrong, no threshold for fairness (or lack of rather)?
What about people in actual concentration camps as we speak , with the government propaganda causing citizens to be complicit and feel it is even justified, regardless of facts? Separated from families, their wives are FORCED to bed officers in the meantime.
What about illegal weaponry used regularly, and on citizens of cities ---and the impact of past usage destroying lives of newborn babies ?
What about the impact (psychological) that being jailed and tortured does to kids who did nothing wrong? Just because it doesn't happen in N America and UK doesn't mean it is not ongoing to a crazy extent.
What about refugees impacted by bombing of their countries to an undeniably disadvantaged extent? What about ongoing arms dealings which continue to benefit the least moral scum of society and cause, create havoc in countries, ENCOURAGE it, etc? And nobody can do anything -- retaliation against the militarized groups becomes illegal too! eg Syria. Ongoing rape (feminists don't care), massacre of actual human beings, that's not something I'm pulling out of thin air.
What about the system where student debts collect interest, ignoring the impracticality of it , esp as most students are rarely employed straight after graduating? What about insurance companies collecting $$ for decades and then denying help when the person deserves it and needs it badly, and then ensuing court battles (with insurance company and probably others, who caused the situation to happen in the first place?) etc This happened to my son's nurse
What about war veterans suffering from lifelong damage from proximity to aforementioned illegal chemical weapons etc?
All ways uncaring people have allowed the oppressors to prevail over them, allowed inequality to continue and worsen, so those they can clearly help, to fall through the cracks, people without resources in the first place, etc.
That's not 'managing fine' - any moment anyone could fall into the groups of people mentioned above, and the only real protection is wealth and being lucky. You cannot defend yourself if fate pulls you into those groups, you are steadily more and more disadvantaged, and people have a strange sense of 'they probably deserve it ' with absolutely no proof.
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SharonB wrote:
For the situations I am thinking of, "they" perceive the risk or impact is low and don't agonize beforehand, but if it occurs they agonize afterwards. Company went bankrupt. Person is severely injured or worse. I perceive the risk or impact is higher and agonize beforehand and if it occurs I don't agonize (as much) afterwards. I need to read the O ring (US shuttle engineer) book.
I get you. People want it to be true that the world is fine and it's just them that's messed up, it's some sort of peace of mind thing--when the situation, while not exactly the reverse, is more imbalanced in reverse.
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blooiejagwa wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
SharonB wrote:
bloodie, that reminds me of a real-world trigger, when folks in all areas of my life say "you care too much". So, there's some social threshold for how much we are supposed to care. Well, they don't care enough. Phooey.
Really? They seem to be managing fine caring the amount they do, after all we're the ones agonizing. They're doing fine. You care too much isn't advice though, it's like telling someone with sensitive ears at an Insect Warfare concert that they just hear too much.
What do you mean managing fine? The ones you see and hear of day to day on tv and walking around to their office jobs? What about the ones who are impacted by an aggressively uncaring system, which includes special needs kids being abused or denied important treatments and therapies, people abusing court system to 'get back' at someone else even if they are in the wrong, no threshold for fairness (or lack of rather)?
What about people in actual concentration camps as we speak , with the government propaganda causing citizens to be complicit and feel it is even justified, regardless of facts? Separated from families, their wives are FORCED to bed officers in the meantime.
What about illegal weaponry used regularly, and on citizens of cities ---and the impact of past usage destroying lives of newborn babies ?
What about the impact (psychological) that being jailed and tortured does to kids who did nothing wrong? Just because it doesn't happen in N America and UK doesn't mean it is not ongoing to a crazy extent.
What about refugees impacted by bombing of their countries to an undeniably disadvantaged extent? What about ongoing arms dealings which continue to benefit the least moral scum of society and cause, create havoc in countries, ENCOURAGE it, etc? And nobody can do anything -- retaliation against the militarized groups becomes illegal too! eg Syria. Ongoing rape (feminists don't care), massacre of actual human beings, that's not something I'm pulling out of thin air.
What about the system where student debts collect interest, ignoring the impracticality of it , esp as most students are rarely employed straight after graduating? What about insurance companies collecting $$ for decades and then denying help when the person deserves it and needs it badly, and then ensuing court battles (with insurance company and probably others, who caused the situation to happen in the first place?) etc This happened to my son's nurse
What about war veterans suffering from lifelong damage from proximity to aforementioned illegal chemical weapons etc?
All ways uncaring people have allowed the oppressors to prevail over them, allowed inequality to continue and worsen, so those they can clearly help, to fall through the cracks, people without resources in the first place, etc.
That's not 'managing fine' - any moment anyone could fall into the groups of people mentioned above, and the only real protection is wealth and being lucky. You cannot defend yourself if fate pulls you into those groups, you are steadily more and more disadvantaged, and people have a strange sense of 'they probably deserve it ' with absolutely no proof.
One only has so much power to impact things and only so much time and effort to invest in causes beyond their own survival. Those who don't become fixated on how many massive, systemic problems exist everywhere don't get burdened by them, they continue their lives in blissful ignorance - that's managing fine.
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There's no such thing as a free market.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
funeralxempire wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
SharonB wrote:
bloodie, that reminds me of a real-world trigger, when folks in all areas of my life say "you care too much". So, there's some social threshold for how much we are supposed to care. Well, they don't care enough. Phooey.
Really? They seem to be managing fine caring the amount they do, after all we're the ones agonizing. They're doing fine. You care too much isn't advice though, it's like telling someone with sensitive ears at an Insect Warfare concert that they just hear too much.
What do you mean managing fine? The ones you see and hear of day to day on tv and walking around to their office jobs? What about the ones who are impacted by an aggressively uncaring system, which includes special needs kids being abused or denied important treatments and therapies, people abusing court system to 'get back' at someone else even if they are in the wrong, no threshold for fairness (or lack of rather)?
What about people in actual concentration camps as we speak , with the government propaganda causing citizens to be complicit and feel it is even justified, regardless of facts? Separated from families, their wives are FORCED to bed officers in the meantime.
What about illegal weaponry used regularly, and on citizens of cities ---and the impact of past usage destroying lives of newborn babies ?
What about the impact (psychological) that being jailed and tortured does to kids who did nothing wrong? Just because it doesn't happen in N America and UK doesn't mean it is not ongoing to a crazy extent.
What about refugees impacted by bombing of their countries to an undeniably disadvantaged extent? What about ongoing arms dealings which continue to benefit the least moral scum of society and cause, create havoc in countries, ENCOURAGE it, etc? And nobody can do anything -- retaliation against the militarized groups becomes illegal too! eg Syria. Ongoing rape (feminists don't care), massacre of actual human beings, that's not something I'm pulling out of thin air.
What about the system where student debts collect interest, ignoring the impracticality of it , esp as most students are rarely employed straight after graduating? What about insurance companies collecting $$ for decades and then denying help when the person deserves it and needs it badly, and then ensuing court battles (with insurance company and probably others, who caused the situation to happen in the first place?) etc This happened to my son's nurse
What about war veterans suffering from lifelong damage from proximity to aforementioned illegal chemical weapons etc?
All ways uncaring people have allowed the oppressors to prevail over them, allowed inequality to continue and worsen, so those they can clearly help, to fall through the cracks, people without resources in the first place, etc.
That's not 'managing fine' - any moment anyone could fall into the groups of people mentioned above, and the only real protection is wealth and being lucky. You cannot defend yourself if fate pulls you into those groups, you are steadily more and more disadvantaged, and people have a strange sense of 'they probably deserve it ' with absolutely no proof.
One only has so much power to impact things and only so much time and effort to invest in causes beyond their own survival. Those who don't become fixated on how many massive, systemic problems exist everywhere don't get burdened by them, they continue their lives in blissful ignorance - that's managing fine.
My post was not about those. My point was to consider those who get eaten up by that, those people outnumber the ones who don't.
They're not fine. Therefore the statement holds false.
It's a Morlocks (system/individuals) vs Eloi situation.
Except right now the Eloi aren't necessarily foolish naive little beings, but they are in the same predicament.
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blooiejagwa wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
SharonB wrote:
bloodie, that reminds me of a real-world trigger, when folks in all areas of my life say "you care too much". So, there's some social threshold for how much we are supposed to care. Well, they don't care enough. Phooey.
Really? They seem to be managing fine caring the amount they do, after all we're the ones agonizing. They're doing fine. You care too much isn't advice though, it's like telling someone with sensitive ears at an Insect Warfare concert that they just hear too much.
What do you mean managing fine? ...
That's not 'managing fine' - any moment anyone could fall into the groups of people mentioned above, and the only real protection is wealth and being lucky. You cannot defend yourself if fate pulls you into those groups, you are steadily more and more disadvantaged, and people have a strange sense of 'they probably deserve it ' with absolutely no proof.
One only has so much power to impact things and only so much time and effort to invest in causes beyond their own survival. Those who don't become fixated on how many massive, systemic problems exist everywhere don't get burdened by them, they continue their lives in blissful ignorance - that's managing fine.
My post was not about those. My point was to consider those who get eaten up by that, those people outnumber the ones who don't.
They're not fine. Therefore the statement holds false.
It's a Morlocks (system/individuals) vs Eloi situation.
Except right now the Eloi aren't necessarily foolish naive little beings, but they are in the same predicament.
I would concur with all statements. I has been thinking similar: I was concerned about an interaction between coworkers. My coworkers think it's inappropriate that I am bothered (and that I would want to resolve it). In their minds they are not bothered, but I see that one is alcoholic and the other has stress-related high blood pressure. Who's not bothered? I am sure after that "small" incident the one (the oppressed) had a stiff drink that night and the other's (the oppressor's) blood pressure stayed up. Who is it for me to want to "save" them. I have yet to "save" myself.
Rainbow_Belle wrote:
Chronic anxiety and depression are symptoms of Aspergers. Can not fit into social situations and not liked by others because of Aspergers triggers feelings of anxiety and depression.
well said. the triggers i mean.
that's why i am always trying to talk more and more about ASD from OUR point of view, since NTs including therapists (arrogant without realizing) , expect only the ASD, even the most impaired, disabled, severe child, to do everything,
and nobody cares to educate NTs to be more accommodating, loving, inclusive, etc.
the NTs then make it easy psychopaths to prey on ASD kids, and i'm not exaggerating with that statement,.
my parents were always puzzled, "you used to be the happiest child, etc" till age 9, 10. apart from bullying, the ASD issues really got to me , before kids were understanding, and accommodated and included u even if u were slow or odd (it was also private schools till then, i think public school kids are meaner and more judgemental, clique-y, prone to bullying.).
the age my mom started yelling and screaming at me to stop 'looking so depressed' was when i was being excluded, it was out of my depth, etc. my mom was hella abusive, come to think of it.
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blooiejagwa wrote:
...my parents were always puzzled, "you used to be the happiest child, etc" till age 9, 10. apart from bullying, the ASD issues really got to me... the age my mom started yelling and screaming at me to stop 'looking so depressed' was when i was being excluded, it was out of my depth, etc. my mom was hella abusive, come to think of it.
Right there with you, I was the happiest child until I went to school. My AS-like daughter is age 8 and still appears to be the happiest child right now... (she's quiet otherwise and meltdowns are infrequent and private). My (AS-like) mom was similarly abusive. She wanted it to be better for me but had few tools and was frustrated - and took it out on me. Sigh.
To those outside my inner circle I am still the "happiest" person. During my worst year in life people wrote in my yearbook: "You are the happiest person I know." "What magic pill are you on?" As I have mentioned elsewhere, the worse I feel the wider my smile. I'm not smiling while I write this, but if I were telling someone outside my inner circle I would be smiling. I can't be the only person who smiles when depressed...
