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02 May 2020, 4:27 pm

https://youtu.be/pHn2zFU6-zY

Here is the kabbalistic interpretation of how to exit our ego.

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02 May 2020, 7:57 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:

how do i destroy my ego once and for all?

Ketamine, lots of ketamine.

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04 May 2020, 1:48 am

thanks for the responses

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I was a bit reticent in the post above about sharing this, but I’ve decided to do so since it might be irresponsible not too: I don’t know how well it aligns with what you’ve got in mind, but here goes:

When I was at uni we had a site visit to a Buddhist monastery in a Victorian mock-castle on the moor above Todmorden in West Yorkshire (architecture course).
We were given a guided tour of most of the place by one of the monks: the highlight he saved to the end was the cell of a, now deceased, monk who had, he told us, achieved enlightenment.
It was in the tower over the entrance: a large room with all the windows boarded over. Inside this another smaller room had been constructed from multiple layers of thick chip-board. With no windows: this was where the enlightened monk had lived after his achievement of that goal.
The door had a heavy lock.
On the outside.

Like I said, I don’t know what exactly you have in mind: but I felt that my conscience wouldn’t leave me alone if I didn’t share the anecdote. I’ve never been exactly sure what to make of it.

interesting...that guy must have been along with his thoughts for inconceivably long
he has probably removed most of his most pestilent delusional thought patterns before, but being alone with my own mind if kind of the opposite of what i'd like right now. the thing is, i have demons in my mind. my biggest success in chasing them away, if only temporarily, was managing to move out of home and to WA.

i guess what i'm trying to say is that i want to get out of my head and stop all my horrible thoughts being about "me me me" or throwing self pity-parties, for gods sake, i can't be happy for myself, how can i be happy for someone else?

if it ever ends up mattering at all
i think you guys know what i mean, FFS i end up regretting most of what i post here impulsively, nowadays. i find it's easier to stay away entirely

maybe "ego death" isn't the best way to put it, but it's the term that came to mind first, another member mentioned being "free of delusions", that seems like something which would be nice. lord knows i have a lot of those

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I don't know, even ancient buddhist only went as far as to claim that they were "close to having no delusions". The ones who went further than that were ridiculed.

Is there anyone that you uphold who has explicitly made that claim?

i see. not really.

funeralxempire wrote:

Kiprobalhato wrote:

how do i destroy my ego once and for all?

Ketamine, lots of ketamine.

do you have personal experience?
i'll say that i've heard the term ego death used most often in the context of psychedelics which i'ce dabbled in. not sure if the feelings they give is the same but it is a great feeling i wand to have more of.

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You can rid yourself of egocentricity and egoism

how?

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04 May 2020, 3:03 am

I think we’ve had a collision of two different usages of the word ego: the current post-60s popular usage as slang for negative attitudes and outlook, particularly arrogance and/or self-obsession; and the older Greek usage meaning the capacity for rational, ordered thought.
The second as resurrected by Freud in his three part hypothesis as to the working of the human psyche where he posited that the Ego (conscious thought) negotiates between two different manifestations of potentially destructive, or at least unhelpful, urges: The Id (direct animalistic/childish impulses) and the Superego (harsh absolutist moralising capacity shaped by upbringing environment, but ultimately a different manifestation of the same drives as the Id).

In Greco-Freudian terms what you’re wanting to do is, if anything, enhance the ego’s power for consistency and functioning organisational capacity.

Hope that functions as a pro-clarification tangent.

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04 May 2020, 5:25 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

You can rid yourself of egocentricity and egoism

how?

I didn't say I knew how,I just said it's possible,it's not possible to get rid of an ego because an ego is just part of being human.

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04 May 2020, 5:41 am

It is a never ending struggle to remain mindful of the many. We are egocentric by nature because it is beneficial to our survival. We humans typically work in groups when it is perceived as beneficial even to the detriment of the entire group.

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05 May 2020, 4:41 am

vermontsavant wrote:

Kiprobalhato wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

You can rid yourself of egocentricity and egoism

how?

I didn't say I knew how,I just said it's possible,it's not possible to get rid of an ego because an ego is just part of being human.

ah

i hope they get rid of that in the next update. as long as one doesn't have children, having a sense of self or any emotions at all just seems like an unnecessary burden.

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05 May 2020, 8:45 am

Hmmm...

What I've experienced was 'ego loss' -- a less permanent version of 'ego death'.
How? Not sure. I was relatively new on meditation and still do so inconsistently. Probably dumb luck. :lol: I wouldn't able to maintain it at such stage anyway.

But the experience itself is something else...

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05 May 2020, 5:46 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Kiprobalhato wrote:

how do i destroy my ego once and for all?

Ketamine, lots of ketamine.

Yes I do. Among things, it caused a weird sensation where like, myself and two other people were describing being merged, to the point that like... Heather had an itch and I reached to scratch it without her telling me, I just felt it like it was my flesh.

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05 May 2020, 6:07 pm

You need an ego.

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05 May 2020, 8:51 pm

Sounds like you want stoicism more than nirvana.

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05 May 2020, 8:56 pm

AceofPens wrote:

Sounds like you want stoicism more than nirvana.

Careful throwing that word around here, the whole place is gonna smell like teen spirit. :nerdy:

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06 May 2020, 8:42 am

This is the last time I'm posting this basic truth on this thread:You can't get rid of an ego,all living creatures have an ego,even if there not conscious of it.If your alive,you are a self,so you have an ego,which is Greek for identity (Egos) basically.

One can however get rid of egocentricity and egoistic and self centered attitudes and behavior's,this is possible,whether though therapy,meditation or religious practice,whatever works for you.

But having an ego is not the same as egotistical or egocentric which are negative self centered traits.If your alive you have an ego and that's ok.

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