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13 May 2020, 10:06 am

Jonathan Scott Frakes is only an actor with a HASS degree, not a scientist with a STEM degree. He is obviously NOT an authority on Reality.

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13 May 2020, 10:21 am

HASS and STEM complement each other.

One cannot live without the other.

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13 May 2020, 12:46 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

HASS and STEM complement each other. One cannot live without the other.

What? No crackers to go with that baloney?

HASS: Humanities, Arts, Social-Sciences (i.e., Psychology, Sociology, et cetera)
STEM: (Physical) Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics

HASS: Derives doctrine by inspiration from subjective revelation
STEM: Derives truth by induction from objective observation

HASS: Dominated by subjective opinions
STEM: Dominated by objective conclusions

HASS: Embraces the concepts of religion and spirituality
STEM: Rejects or is indifferent to the concepts of religion and spirituality

HASS: From revelation flows the study of the soul
STEM: From observation flows the study of the universe

HASS: The study of social history, interaction, and expression
STEM: The study of physical phenomena and their operating principles

HASS: Investigates obscure concepts in the pursuit of ethical futures
STEM: Investigates physical principles in the pursuit of greater knowledge

HASS: Less collaborative, more individualistic
STEM: More collaborative, less individualistic

HASS: Less reliance on mathematical models
STEM: More reliance on mathematical models

HASS: Receives less government research funding (~5%)
STEM: Receives more government research funding (~95%)

HASS: Reliance on faith
STEM: Reliance on knowlege

HASS: Sees human consciousness as the ultimate container, with the world existing inside it
STEM: Sees the physical universe as the ultimate reality, with consciousness existing inside it

HASS: Sees STEM as lacking humanity
STEM: Sees HASS as lacking discipline

HASS: Taught as discrete subjects
STEM: Taught as inter-dependent subjects

HASS and STEM are as different as night and day!

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13 May 2020, 1:10 pm

My parents watch a lot of crap on TV (crime dramas and the like) and I don't often stay in the room because I feel like I'd want to beat the crap out of many of the characters.

I could have a similar issue, whatever the right name is for it, but my way of dealing with it is not watching crap. I can see where watching stories of honor killings would be difficult and how yes, that's a real issue - like FGM - that we should all be well aware of and roundly / actively in opposition to.

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13 May 2020, 8:09 pm

Fnord wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

HASS and STEM complement each other. One cannot live without the other.

But isn’t that what complement means?

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14 May 2020, 11:52 am

blazingstar wrote:

fnord wrote:

... HASS and STEM are as different as night and day![/color]

But isn’t that what complement means?

When two opposites work together, that's complementary; but when two opposites compete for people and resources, that's adversarial.

Males and females complement each other when it come to procreation; but not when a man and woman are getting divorced for "Irreconcilable Differences".

A hungry engineering major ordering a meal from the philosophy major behind the counter may be performing complementary functions; but if the philosophy major is rude, screws up the order, and gives the engineer the wrong change, then the situation turns adversarial.

See what I mean?

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14 May 2020, 12:17 pm

I don't think the two "opposites" have to know they are working together in order to be complementary.

An example that comes to mind is the symbiotic relationship between algae and fungi that creates lichens.
Then there's the marriage of opposites, he's a recluse and she's a socialite and together they make their way through life.

When I take a really really long view of life, as in from the top of the moon (yes, I know the moon doesn't have a "top"), I can see that there are few places in which one person or one dogma or one whatever has it all right. It is the influence and impact of very different "sides" that moves human society forward, or backward, depending on your point of view.

So I think there is a natural tension between science and the other stuff and in the end it is that tension that leads us forward. I have not heard of this guy, or read anything and I am aware there is some really truly weird stuff out there.

That said, so many of the hard facts I was taught in science, in medicine, when I was a young twit, are now proven to be wrong. Some of the stuff I taught is now wrong. But it was "true" then. This can make one somewhat skeptical of each new scientific discovery. Whatever we know as scientists is still subject to more exploration, more learning. That is in fact what science is about.

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14 May 2020, 12:31 pm

blazingstar wrote:

I don't think the two "opposites" have to know they are working together in order to be complementary.

This is true, and I never meant to imply otherwise.

blazingstar wrote:

That said, so many of the hard facts I was taught in science, in medicine, when I was a young twit, are now proven to be wrong. Some of the stuff I taught is now wrong. But it was "true" then. This can make one somewhat skeptical of each new scientific discovery. Whatever we know as scientists is still subject to more exploration, more learning. That is in fact what science is about.

That's what so special about science -- it is self-correcting. Conclusions in science are based on what can be observed with the senses we have and the instruments we use to enhance our senses at the time those observations are made. When the observational methods improve, so does our understanding of what we've observed. In the Dark Ages before the Renaissance, for example, it was believed that four bodily fluids (one of which doesn't exist) were responsible for illnesses, moods, and personalities. Modern medical science -- real science -- now has blood tests, DNA scanning, X-rays, sonography, and a host of other methods to illuminate and expand on what physicians can observe. True, mistakes are made, but further advances can avoid those mistakes or eliminate their causes entirely.

While HASS recipients are still debating the ethics of genetic research, STEM recipients are applying that research to curing diseases and improving the quality of life for everyone.

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14 May 2020, 3:56 pm

Fnord wrote:

[ Modern medical science -- real science -- now has blood tests, DNA scanning, X-rays, sonography, and a host of other methods to illuminate and expand on what physicians can observe.

And in 50 years, those will be looked upon the same as we look upon blood letting now. :-)

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