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having arthritis and living out in the sticks means i can't avoid using a car to get where i need to go. just the same, we need, as a nation, to be making far more progress far more quickly, towards energy self-sufficiency, than we have been doing. the clock is ticking.

It ends up wth climate friendliness being a luxury reserved for white collar workers with good internet and those who are able to live in large cities. One example of where unrestricted Capitalism falls.

You can always carpet bomb some small country and steal its oil tho.

It seems pretty common for a lot of regions to place all their eggs in one basket, so to speak, and back one resource, with oil being chief among them. When that resource does well, so does the economy of that region, and the people in that region enjoy a time of prosperity. The problem with that is, their livelihood is so thoroughly tied to that one resource that things go downhill fast when it isn't doing so well. It's why those people get pissy when governments cancel their pipelines or drilling projects.

The thing is though, I highly doubt a qualified financial advisor would ever recommend to someone that they invest everything in one stock, but that's essentially what entire towns and cities, municipalities/counties or even provinces/states do. Heck, I'm sure there are some countries that do that, but that is outside of the scope of this discussion. On top of that, they paint everyone who doesn't support their industrial expansion as bad guys. News flash: other regions doing what is right for them is not villainy, even if it's not what's right for *insert region here*.

People from these places cheer when a Conservative government is in power, and cringe when a Liberal government is in, because that significantly impacts their livelihood due to how unstable it is. They're quick to blame others for their problems when they are the ones who refuse to diversify their portfolio or take the right steps to ensure they're on better footing. They also seem to take an out of sight, out of mind approach with environmental issues, where if they don't see it, it doesn't exist as far as they're concerned. I disagree with that sentiment, but it's unlikely they are ever going to care about their planet.

As for oil, I don't think it's going to stop being a lucrative resource anytime soon. Besides, electric cars have some hurdles to overcome before they can replace gas vehicles. They need to be much less expensive, drivers need to get an excellent range out of a charge, charging stations needs to be everywhere, including random stops on the side of highways in the middle of nowhere, and it shouldn't take forever to charge up a vehicle. Only then will they replace gas vehicles, because at that point there wouldn't be any reason for the latter to exist anymore.

That said, I can see that happening in a couple decades, and although oil has plenty of other uses, that industry will still take a huge hit if cars all go electric. There's time for those places invested so heavily in oil to plan a transition to something else. One could argue they've had plenty of time to start planning already, but better late than never. They do have a choice. They could ride the ship they're on until they inevitably go down with it, or they can try and find another to carry them forward. I wish them luck.

Yep, why drill for limited oil in Alaska when it's more cost effective to simply start a war and steal it from others? I'm afraid that's the direction things are heading in again. Mark my words in the near future (though I hope I'm mistaken).

Well good luck getting Americans to fight in such a war out of a sense of patriotism. The GWOT days of Americans enlisting so they can fight to preserve our freedoms is long gone. If they do fight it will be because it's a paying job and there are no others available.

Seeing as you were old enough to have been drafted during the Vietnam War, haven't you noticed how nothing has really changed with our military-industrial complex? Fill in the blank: stopping communism/fighting terrorism/delivering freedom/(whatever)

Yes, it's not suddenly going to mean no gas at the pumps, is it?

But it will stop people getting rich off another environmentally high risk scheme where actually the benefits might be outweighed by the costs in the long run.

Still nothing to prevent the Canadians building their own refinery, either, if getting rich quick is still an aim?

Notice that that list of "related topics" that usually appears at the bottom of the page ( threads from like ten years ago that had similar titles) is not there! Just blank page.

This title is so unique that the poor computer couldnt even find a "related topic" !

You have drones now, much less men needed.

I just checked.
1 liter of gas currently costs about 1.30 USD in my city.

But we have a joke here:
Q: Why does the US representation get olympic medals for sprint but not for other distances?
A: Because over 100m, they take a car.

I doubt preventing drilling ina few places out of legitimate concern for the environment is going to cause gas prices to spiral out of control. It sounds like these people are more concerned with short-term economic inconvenience than long-term environmental catastrophe.

I do sympathize with them to an extent. It can feel like politicians pursue environmentalism in ways that do not consider the working class. France's gilets jaunes come to mind: working people outraged by a gas tax that screwed them over specifically while doing little to address the corporate abuses that contribute much more to environmental destruction than they do. Without economic security, centrist and conservative workers are going to be hesitant about environmentalist policies rocking the economic boat. They should not suffer because corporations dug us into an environmental ditch. But we need greater safety nets and social security so they don't panic at the slightest economic downturn.

at least here in amuuurica, nobody thinks of the working class or thinks much of them. hell, even the working class itself doesn't think of itself or think much of itself.

We price gas by the gallon.

A liter is roughly a quart. There are four quarts to a gallon. So that means you have to pay about 5.20 US per gallon.

Here in my town in the US gas is about 2.60 a gallon. Or exactly half of that.

The gas will come from Syria.

The real problem here is that trains are not used that much anymore to transport food and goods.

Gas prices at the pump is often fixed by a cartel, and that problem is impossible to address in a democracy with free markets.

Uggghhh, not inspired.

Thanks for giving an example for comparison.